1 00:00:14,259 --> 00:00:12,560 [Music] 2 00:00:17,210 --> 00:00:14,269 [Applause] 3 00:00:21,470 --> 00:00:17,220 this hope radiates for the masses 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:21,480 headliner between July 3 1947 the Army 5 00:00:25,460 --> 00:00:23,130 Air Forces has announced that applying 6 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:25,470 there has been found and is now in the 7 00:00:32,930 --> 00:00:28,890 possession of the army we change the 8 00:00:36,170 --> 00:00:32,940 game changer I occasionally think how 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:36,180 quickly our differences worldwide would 10 00:00:42,570 --> 00:00:39,930 vanish if we were facing an alien threat 11 00:00:47,670 --> 00:00:42,580 from outside this way 12 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:47,680 [Music] 13 00:00:53,010 --> 00:00:50,170 fade to black with your host Jimmy 14 00:00:55,890 --> 00:00:53,020 church on the GameChanger radio network 15 00:00:59,510 --> 00:00:55,900 and a GRA 16 00:01:04,690 --> 00:01:02,299 I need your help to get to the 17 00:01:09,179 --> 00:01:04,700 1985 18 00:01:12,370 --> 00:01:09,189 [Music] 19 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:12,380 like with Jimmy judge on the game change 20 00:01:16,780 --> 00:01:13,450 in network 21 00:01:21,570 --> 00:01:16,790 [Music] 22 00:01:33,180 --> 00:01:21,580 good evening fade to black 23 00:01:43,060 --> 00:01:39,130 today's Tuesday May 15th 2018 134 days 24 00:01:45,010 --> 00:01:43,070 into the new year just 231 days left we 25 00:01:47,670 --> 00:01:45,020 are live from a bunker somewhere in 26 00:01:49,900 --> 00:01:47,680 beautiful downtown Burbank California 27 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:49,910 and I would like to welcome everybody 28 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:51,650 listening all around the world all 29 00:01:56,260 --> 00:01:54,170 across the United States hither and 30 00:02:00,580 --> 00:01:56,270 thither to and fro back and forth up and 31 00:02:02,580 --> 00:02:00,590 down east and west north and south far 32 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:02,590 and near 33 00:02:07,990 --> 00:02:05,810 this is fade to black for kjc are the 34 00:02:10,630 --> 00:02:08,000 game changer Network and kera the 35 00:02:16,410 --> 00:02:10,640 planets host Jimmy Church what is 36 00:02:23,309 --> 00:02:20,160 all right tonight very special guest 37 00:02:25,740 --> 00:02:23,319 Nick Redfern is here we're gonna talk 38 00:02:27,690 --> 00:02:25,750 about his new book the Slender Man 39 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:27,700 mysteries you got it right here 40 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:32,610 there it is Slender Man mysteries 41 00:02:43,530 --> 00:02:36,250 tomorrow night rizz Burke is here we're 42 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:43,540 gonna discuss killer AI yes sir that's 43 00:02:49,590 --> 00:02:45,730 tomorrow night Thursday is another Fator 44 00:02:52,710 --> 00:02:49,600 night with Jon Rappoport it's gonna be 45 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:52,720 here with his no more fake newsroom live 46 00:02:58,910 --> 00:02:55,890 followed by open lines all night long 47 00:03:00,960 --> 00:02:58,920 Twitter Facebook YouTube 48 00:03:03,150 --> 00:03:00,970 everything is fade to black you can 49 00:03:07,590 --> 00:03:03,160 follow us on Twitter right now at J 50 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:07,600 Church radio at J church radio let's see 51 00:03:11,550 --> 00:03:08,970 what's going on over here in Twitter 52 00:03:15,390 --> 00:03:11,560 tweet deck because I'm a non seller 53 00:03:17,550 --> 00:03:15,400 right now look at tweet deck yeah that's 54 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:17,560 uh that's pretty good that's pretty good 55 00:03:21,030 --> 00:03:18,010 stuff 56 00:03:23,100 --> 00:03:21,040 see the thing oh look at Mark tirana 57 00:03:26,610 --> 00:03:23,110 coming in strong or was that Karen 58 00:03:29,370 --> 00:03:26,620 McIntyre you guys both had the same gift 59 00:03:31,650 --> 00:03:29,380 the Slender Man dancing gift that's uh 60 00:03:33,390 --> 00:03:31,660 pretty amazing it's pretty amazing you 61 00:03:36,500 --> 00:03:33,400 guys are good thank you for these oh man 62 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:36,510 look at how many there are tonight I 63 00:03:42,870 --> 00:03:40,810 guys are all in a good mood I see all 64 00:03:48,390 --> 00:03:42,880 right follow us on twitter @jj Church 65 00:03:50,780 --> 00:03:48,400 radio as everybody knows by now we'll be 66 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:50,790 on Facebook for a little while longer 67 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:54,730 we're gonna stick it out my goal and you 68 00:03:59,910 --> 00:03:58,090 can you can like us and try to friend me 69 00:04:03,630 --> 00:03:59,920 I won't be friending anymore it's a 70 00:04:05,699 --> 00:04:03,640 waste of time but I hit my friends limit 71 00:04:09,539 --> 00:04:05,709 you know five thousand a couple of years 72 00:04:12,330 --> 00:04:09,549 ago and and I went through now would you 73 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:12,340 know D act the you know deactivated 74 00:04:16,140 --> 00:04:14,650 accounts or whatever shutdown accounts 75 00:04:18,659 --> 00:04:16,150 and so you got to go through five to a 76 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:18,669 list of 5,000 you go through 5,000 and 77 00:04:24,570 --> 00:04:21,970 you know 10 20 you know people are no 78 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:24,580 longer on Facebook and so you delete 79 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:26,530 those Facebook doesn't automatically 80 00:04:30,090 --> 00:04:28,810 remove them from your friends list I 81 00:04:31,890 --> 00:04:30,100 don't know if you knew that 82 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:31,900 so you'd have to go through your friends 83 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:35,650 list and look for the little ghost head 84 00:04:42,390 --> 00:04:39,490 right the the Michelin Man and you you 85 00:04:45,870 --> 00:04:42,400 find that the Casper head and and then 86 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:45,880 deactivate or unfriend them and then go 87 00:04:50,010 --> 00:04:48,250 back and cycle through and now so many 88 00:04:53,700 --> 00:04:50,020 people are leaving Facebook I went 89 00:04:56,070 --> 00:04:53,710 through last month when we were doing on 90 00:05:00,450 --> 00:04:56,080 stellar and I went through my friends 91 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:00,460 list 5,000 which it takes forever to do 92 00:05:07,470 --> 00:05:05,050 and there was probably mmm 93 00:05:11,730 --> 00:05:07,480 I would say in the neighborhood of about 94 00:05:13,650 --> 00:05:11,740 a hundred deactivated accounts and you 95 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:13,660 know people that I knew you know that I 96 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:15,970 knew that just didn't you know leave 97 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:17,770 this earth or anything they just shut 98 00:05:25,530 --> 00:05:21,850 down so and I went back and I and I've 99 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:25,540 got you know a thousand or so friend 100 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:27,490 requests that are sitting sitting there 101 00:05:32,910 --> 00:05:29,290 and then you got to go through those 102 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:32,920 well anyway I got through about 20 or 30 103 00:05:39,690 --> 00:05:35,290 or something like that I'll say man I'm 104 00:05:42,540 --> 00:05:39,700 just I'm done doing this just done done 105 00:05:44,730 --> 00:05:42,550 so anyway that's I'm just gonna use 106 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:44,740 Facebook to invite everybody over to on 107 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:46,330 stellar that's it that's always there 108 00:05:53,490 --> 00:05:50,530 for it's a vehicle it's just a vehicle 109 00:05:55,830 --> 00:05:53,500 it's a vehicle to to get to introduce on 110 00:05:57,930 --> 00:05:55,840 stellar to the world but you can go and 111 00:05:59,550 --> 00:05:57,940 subscribe to our YouTube channel you can 112 00:06:02,610 --> 00:05:59,560 go and do that we'll keep that active 113 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:02,620 for a little bit the sandbox on Twitter 114 00:06:06,630 --> 00:06:04,690 by the way is hashtag if to be come over 115 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:06,640 and hang out there and these gifts you 116 00:06:12,210 --> 00:06:09,250 guys are out of control for all of the 117 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:12,220 new listeners to the show the sandbox is 118 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:15,010 where all of the fader knots in the 119 00:06:20,850 --> 00:06:18,250 audience hangs out each night and at the 120 00:06:23,190 --> 00:06:20,860 beginning of the show when the music 121 00:06:25,470 --> 00:06:23,200 starts everybody starts posting these 122 00:06:30,750 --> 00:06:25,480 dancing gifts I'll look at the Elvis 123 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:30,760 Aloha from Hawaii wow that's that's a 124 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:31,210 good one 125 00:06:35,430 --> 00:06:34,090 so that's what I'm looking at here and 126 00:06:38,070 --> 00:06:35,440 if you want to check out all the dancing 127 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:38,080 gifts at Jade surge radio we still like 128 00:06:42,210 --> 00:06:40,570 in the meantime we still like Twitter 129 00:06:43,650 --> 00:06:42,220 all right you can email throughout the 130 00:06:49,770 --> 00:06:43,660 show Jimmy at Jimmy Church 131 00:06:51,980 --> 00:06:49,780 calm easy and also I just mentioned the 132 00:06:54,390 --> 00:06:51,990 sandbox hashtag f2b 133 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:54,400 there will be by the end of the night 134 00:06:59,040 --> 00:06:56,890 two or three thousand tweets there and 135 00:07:02,730 --> 00:06:59,050 we haven't got to like it ten thousand 136 00:07:04,590 --> 00:07:02,740 tweet night though well we have when 137 00:07:06,870 --> 00:07:04,600 we've posted pictures during a show 138 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:06,880 we've done it but just like a standard 139 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:09,370 night a standard conversation night it's 140 00:07:12,780 --> 00:07:11,290 two to three thousand tweets right there 141 00:07:15,510 --> 00:07:12,790 a hash tag if to be come and check it 142 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:15,520 out and let's go let's go let's get 143 00:07:22,430 --> 00:07:18,970 rolling here we got breaking news and I 144 00:07:27,870 --> 00:07:22,440 saw this coming but it happened today 145 00:07:31,710 --> 00:07:27,880 Kim fatty fat Kim Zhang mmm 146 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:31,720 fatty fat North Korea has threatened to 147 00:07:37,390 --> 00:07:34,770 cancel the plan to summit between 148 00:07:38,690 --> 00:07:37,400 president Donald Trump and King Jang 149 00:07:42,300 --> 00:07:38,700 [Music] 150 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:42,310 scheduled for June 12th and Singapore at 151 00:07:49,290 --> 00:07:42,910 that 152 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:49,300 night at the marina Marina sans saying 153 00:07:53,970 --> 00:07:51,370 that the US should carefully consider 154 00:07:56,310 --> 00:07:53,980 the fate of the upcoming meeting in view 155 00:07:59,280 --> 00:07:56,320 of what it calls provocative military 156 00:08:00,780 --> 00:07:59,290 disturbances with South Korea in other 157 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:00,790 words they're talking about the military 158 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:03,910 exercises that I thought now this is 159 00:08:09,780 --> 00:08:05,890 what I thought isn't this what you heard 160 00:08:13,110 --> 00:08:09,790 you know last month that Kim fatty fat 161 00:08:14,850 --> 00:08:13,120 said it's cool it's cool do your thing 162 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:14,860 don't care about the military exercises 163 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:18,370 we don't care about troops on the DMZ we 164 00:08:21,659 --> 00:08:19,450 know in fact we don't care about 165 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:21,669 anything we are going to dismantle we 166 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:23,290 are gonna deed nuclear eyes we're gonna 167 00:08:30,090 --> 00:08:25,930 blow up our test site we're just gonna 168 00:08:35,250 --> 00:08:30,100 do whatever you want to do okay we just 169 00:08:39,690 --> 00:08:35,260 want to unify with our South Korea 170 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:39,700 neighbor and and you know one Korea one 171 00:08:46,140 --> 00:08:42,130 people and and we just want to be 172 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:46,150 friends this is the new us and that made 173 00:08:52,290 --> 00:08:49,330 the last too long did it right 174 00:08:55,860 --> 00:08:52,300 now I'm a little bit confused and I 175 00:08:57,430 --> 00:08:55,870 thought this is what I remember I didn't 176 00:09:01,510 --> 00:08:57,440 even need to go back and check because 177 00:09:07,020 --> 00:09:01,520 was all on all the press releases and 178 00:09:12,340 --> 00:09:07,030 the meetings and Pompeyo and man so 179 00:09:15,550 --> 00:09:12,350 saying that Kim fatty fat just said he 180 00:09:21,270 --> 00:09:15,560 he doesn't he understands that we need 181 00:09:24,940 --> 00:09:21,280 military exercises he understands that 182 00:09:26,530 --> 00:09:24,950 we've had issues he understands that 183 00:09:29,410 --> 00:09:26,540 South Korea needs to defend themselves 184 00:09:33,340 --> 00:09:29,420 he understands that it should be a 185 00:09:36,270 --> 00:09:33,350 nuclear-free Peninsula he understands 186 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:36,280 that we need to dismantle the program he 187 00:09:42,430 --> 00:09:40,250 understands everything is fine he gets 188 00:09:43,780 --> 00:09:42,440 it he understands these things that's 189 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:43,790 what I heard 190 00:09:50,290 --> 00:09:45,890 over and over and over and over and over 191 00:09:55,660 --> 00:09:50,300 again and here we are less than a month 192 00:09:58,450 --> 00:09:55,670 out June 12th right and and he's already 193 00:10:00,280 --> 00:09:58,460 threatened to pull out now I don't know 194 00:10:03,940 --> 00:10:00,290 what his angle is well the angle is he 195 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:03,950 wants something you know now if he pulls 196 00:10:08,950 --> 00:10:06,050 out of this are we right back to where 197 00:10:11,740 --> 00:10:08,960 we were before you know that's the thing 198 00:10:15,250 --> 00:10:11,750 are we right back to this tension it 199 00:10:17,260 --> 00:10:15,260 felt good it felt good we didn't even 200 00:10:19,060 --> 00:10:17,270 get to the blowing up of the stupid 201 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:19,070 nuclear test site we didn't even get to 202 00:10:22,210 --> 00:10:20,450 see that out but I wonder if that's 203 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:22,220 gonna I wonder if that's gonna go down 204 00:10:31,210 --> 00:10:26,690 oh man alright okay alright enough of 205 00:10:35,140 --> 00:10:31,220 that he knew it was gonna happen he just 206 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:35,150 knew it now let's let's hope that the 207 00:10:41,950 --> 00:10:39,050 summit goes off and everything that Kim 208 00:10:46,329 --> 00:10:41,960 fatty fat said was true that he 209 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:46,339 understands you know I don't see the US 210 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:49,010 troops leaving South Korea I don't see 211 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:51,530 that happening I don't see US troops 212 00:10:57,100 --> 00:10:54,170 leaving anywhere Guam I don't see that 213 00:10:59,410 --> 00:10:57,110 that happening so I don't know what it 214 00:11:01,360 --> 00:10:59,420 is that he would expect us to give up I 215 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:01,370 don't know about the military drills I 216 00:11:05,590 --> 00:11:04,010 don't know about any of that one thing 217 00:11:08,590 --> 00:11:05,600 is for sure right on the other side of 218 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:08,600 the DMZ there are thousands of missiles 219 00:11:12,269 --> 00:11:09,850 and cannons 220 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:12,279 and howitzers that are pointing right at 221 00:11:19,430 --> 00:11:15,370 Seoul all right it's what is he gonna 222 00:11:21,780 --> 00:11:19,440 give all of that up so there you go 223 00:11:23,759 --> 00:11:21,790 there you go he knew this you knew this 224 00:11:27,660 --> 00:11:23,769 was gonna happen let's hope the summit 225 00:11:29,999 --> 00:11:27,670 goes off all right now back to on 226 00:11:33,569 --> 00:11:30,009 stellar I've got to do this tonight 227 00:11:38,069 --> 00:11:33,579 because I spent so much time on on 228 00:11:39,300 --> 00:11:38,079 stellar today and I'm just gonna go 229 00:11:41,129 --> 00:11:39,310 through and click I'm just gonna 230 00:11:44,370 --> 00:11:41,139 everybody that just friended me right 231 00:11:47,759 --> 00:11:44,380 one let's just go down and so when 232 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:47,769 you're here and everybody there boom 233 00:11:54,030 --> 00:11:50,110 boom boom boom boom see I just did it 234 00:11:58,769 --> 00:11:54,040 just did it because everybody that is 235 00:12:04,829 --> 00:11:58,779 here is enjoying an advertising free no 236 00:12:08,819 --> 00:12:04,839 data mining free no censorship no crazy 237 00:12:11,730 --> 00:12:08,829 political talk no harassment nothing 238 00:12:13,710 --> 00:12:11,740 like that is going on right now and you 239 00:12:16,910 --> 00:12:13,720 can come over and just hang out and have 240 00:12:21,150 --> 00:12:16,920 a good time and and share knowledge and 241 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:21,160 enjoy the experience and it I think I 242 00:12:25,079 --> 00:12:22,569 mentioned this yesterday I certainly 243 00:12:31,829 --> 00:12:25,089 mentioned it to somebody that do you 244 00:12:33,509 --> 00:12:31,839 remember back on AOL 1995 AOL 1995 1996 245 00:12:35,689 --> 00:12:33,519 and you're surfing around you're doing 246 00:12:37,740 --> 00:12:35,699 and you saw your first pop-up ad 247 00:12:42,509 --> 00:12:37,750 remember that what right across your 248 00:12:45,179 --> 00:12:42,519 screen boom and you about through your 249 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:45,189 computer out the window you were so 250 00:12:53,850 --> 00:12:48,970 offended and so papa bad who could do 251 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:53,860 this to me a pop-up ad remember that 252 00:13:02,730 --> 00:12:57,130 well go over to our on stellar that's 253 00:13:06,210 --> 00:13:02,740 gone gone no no advertising Facebook I'm 254 00:13:10,110 --> 00:13:06,220 over here on Facebook right now and he 255 00:13:12,090 --> 00:13:10,120 go to your news feed so I'm just loaded 256 00:13:18,740 --> 00:13:12,100 up my news feed okay here we go I'm 257 00:13:22,889 --> 00:13:18,750 scrolling a one post ad post ad post ad 258 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:22,899 post ad post 259 00:13:31,410 --> 00:13:27,490 post pad pose and then of course the 260 00:13:34,949 --> 00:13:31,420 posts that are disguises ads right so um 261 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:34,959 so likes a dad so I just looked at 262 00:13:39,780 --> 00:13:37,769 twenty post and I looked at twenty ads 263 00:13:43,439 --> 00:13:39,790 that's disgusting 264 00:13:47,639 --> 00:13:43,449 and you are so used to it the automated 265 00:13:51,449 --> 00:13:47,649 videos playing got a scroll left right 266 00:13:54,119 --> 00:13:51,459 Amazon this that it's everything is an 267 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:54,129 ad it's not what you get over at on 268 00:14:00,329 --> 00:13:56,290 stellar now the other beautiful thing 269 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:00,339 now that we've added the newsfeed it's 270 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:01,929 called my feed right there at the top of 271 00:14:07,199 --> 00:14:04,569 the page so this this is the update from 272 00:14:09,389 --> 00:14:07,209 today so now your newsfeed has got two 273 00:14:12,509 --> 00:14:09,399 different Scrolls hunted how cool is 274 00:14:18,359 --> 00:14:12,519 that the post on the right has its own 275 00:14:21,090 --> 00:14:18,369 scroll and the articles on the left are 276 00:14:23,639 --> 00:14:21,100 on their own scroll and you can do your 277 00:14:26,790 --> 00:14:23,649 own man that is beautiful 278 00:14:30,780 --> 00:14:26,800 it's genius it's things like this that 279 00:14:34,799 --> 00:14:30,790 nobody else has and no other social 280 00:14:37,530 --> 00:14:34,809 media platform and Facebook certainly 281 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:37,540 will not adapt they're too big they 282 00:14:42,379 --> 00:14:39,490 don't care about you they don't they 283 00:14:44,970 --> 00:14:42,389 honestly do not care about you and 284 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:44,980 having things like this this technology 285 00:14:51,540 --> 00:14:47,170 in this vision for the user experience 286 00:14:56,150 --> 00:14:51,550 of the future this is incredible 287 00:15:01,139 --> 00:14:56,160 and now that the newsfeed is live and 288 00:15:03,660 --> 00:15:01,149 the the basic shell of everything is 289 00:15:05,819 --> 00:15:03,670 operational now we're gonna go back and 290 00:15:08,429 --> 00:15:05,829 really really add some really cool 291 00:15:10,439 --> 00:15:08,439 features dial in the look in the field 292 00:15:14,549 --> 00:15:10,449 which is already great but you know dial 293 00:15:18,030 --> 00:15:14,559 it in fine tune it just fine-tune it the 294 00:15:20,309 --> 00:15:18,040 basic tapestry the basic painting is on 295 00:15:23,249 --> 00:15:20,319 the canvas in front of us and that's it 296 00:15:25,889 --> 00:15:23,259 I just dial it in just you know just to 297 00:15:29,539 --> 00:15:25,899 just and adjust and have fun and that's 298 00:15:33,869 --> 00:15:29,549 what on stellar is Facebook is crap 299 00:15:35,700 --> 00:15:33,879 Facebook is it you got you come over 300 00:15:38,940 --> 00:15:35,710 here and you experience this and you 301 00:15:42,570 --> 00:15:38,950 realize out of the gate how wonderful 302 00:15:45,510 --> 00:15:42,580 the internet is how cool it is man and 303 00:15:48,180 --> 00:15:45,520 there's no right now by the way 304 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:48,190 right now there's no trolls over here 305 00:15:52,260 --> 00:15:50,050 I'm sure they're lurking but they don't 306 00:15:55,290 --> 00:15:52,270 know what to do there's too many cool 307 00:15:58,820 --> 00:15:55,300 people here right but you know what I 308 00:16:02,190 --> 00:15:58,830 you know what on stellar is gonna add 309 00:16:09,090 --> 00:16:02,200 are you ready they're gonna add a troll 310 00:16:10,890 --> 00:16:09,100 button let somebody troll I don't know 311 00:16:13,980 --> 00:16:10,900 what we're gonna show we make it look 312 00:16:18,330 --> 00:16:13,990 like the troll under the bridge little 313 00:16:20,790 --> 00:16:18,340 icon you just click on that and that 314 00:16:23,970 --> 00:16:20,800 notification goes through that 315 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:23,980 notification goes through and you do not 316 00:16:32,220 --> 00:16:29,010 want to have that on you and we will 317 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:32,230 have fun you know think about that if 318 00:16:42,630 --> 00:16:34,810 the community wants to give you a new 319 00:16:45,300 --> 00:16:42,640 profile picture that's a troll that's 320 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:45,310 why this platform is cool because it's 321 00:16:58,520 --> 00:16:54,190 built for you think about that oh man 322 00:17:01,800 --> 00:16:58,530 and yeah it could happen by the way okay 323 00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:01,810 I'm very excited to have a Nick Redfern 324 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:07,120 here and his uh his if you go over you 325 00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:08,410 know for who he writes for and 326 00:17:12,329 --> 00:17:10,000 everything if you go over to is Nick 327 00:17:15,329 --> 00:17:12,339 Redfern blogspot the link is over at a 328 00:17:18,630 --> 00:17:15,339 Jimmy Church radio calm he is a writing 329 00:17:20,490 --> 00:17:18,640 machine and I really enjoy his stuff and 330 00:17:24,420 --> 00:17:20,500 I've teased him over the years because 331 00:17:27,870 --> 00:17:24,430 it's true that I will go and read his 332 00:17:29,790 --> 00:17:27,880 stuff and then steal it and then come on 333 00:17:34,580 --> 00:17:29,800 the air that night if I ever need 334 00:17:37,710 --> 00:17:34,590 material I go read Nick I do I really do 335 00:17:40,290 --> 00:17:37,720 the way that he writes and the way that 336 00:17:45,150 --> 00:17:40,300 he investigates and researches he's one 337 00:17:48,090 --> 00:17:45,160 of the best and I steal I steal but at 338 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:48,100 least I tell him that you know I just 339 00:17:51,060 --> 00:17:49,570 want to let him know and I tell 340 00:17:53,399 --> 00:17:51,070 everybody to go read his stuff so 341 00:17:55,860 --> 00:17:53,409 tonight Nick Redfern is here his new 342 00:17:59,190 --> 00:17:55,870 book is the Slenderman mysteries and 343 00:18:01,049 --> 00:17:59,200 we'll be discussing that let's get this 344 00:18:06,330 --> 00:18:01,059 show cracking I do want to give birthday 345 00:18:13,169 --> 00:18:06,340 wishes today to Brian Eno Brian Eno 346 00:18:17,580 --> 00:18:13,179 today is 74 and his Roxy Music his video 347 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:17,590 more than this 1982 right maybe 83 82 348 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:18,370 right in there 349 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:24,370 at the dawn of MTV more than this is a 350 00:18:32,460 --> 00:18:27,970 place that you go to if you're my age 351 00:18:36,570 --> 00:18:32,470 you go right back to being 16 17 years 352 00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:36,580 old again when MTV cranked off and more 353 00:18:44,159 --> 00:18:40,720 than this was playing and he's got a 354 00:18:48,649 --> 00:18:44,169 place for all of us happy birthday Brian 355 00:18:53,519 --> 00:18:48,659 Eno today 74 Mike Oldfield today is just 356 00:18:56,700 --> 00:18:53,529 64 and of course tubular bells which 357 00:19:00,450 --> 00:18:56,710 launched Virgin Records by the way and 358 00:19:03,810 --> 00:19:00,460 started that Empire and was this theme 359 00:19:05,850 --> 00:19:03,820 song to the Exorcist Mike Oldfield one 360 00:19:10,289 --> 00:19:05,860 of the talented musicians and 361 00:19:12,810 --> 00:19:10,299 songwriters of our generation absolutely 362 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:12,820 incredible talent and that song tubular 363 00:19:18,869 --> 00:19:15,610 bells is one of the creepiest best 364 00:19:22,049 --> 00:19:18,879 instrumentals ever happy birthday today 365 00:19:24,299 --> 00:19:22,059 to Mike Oldfield our dead guys birthday 366 00:19:25,399 --> 00:19:24,309 today is and I do need a moment of 367 00:19:34,740 --> 00:19:25,409 silence 368 00:19:39,149 --> 00:19:34,750 gary thane 1948 to 1975 gary died at the 369 00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:39,159 age of 27 and of course he was the 370 00:19:46,889 --> 00:19:43,360 bassist for uriah heep he played on four 371 00:19:50,249 --> 00:19:46,899 studio albums demons and wizards yes sir 372 00:19:54,149 --> 00:19:50,259 the magician's birthday yes siree 373 00:19:56,669 --> 00:19:54,159 sweet freedom and Wonderworld four 374 00:20:00,960 --> 00:19:56,679 amazing albums but he also played on 375 00:20:02,940 --> 00:20:00,970 their live album your ieave live during 376 00:20:03,450 --> 00:20:02,950 his last tour in the United States with 377 00:20:07,499 --> 00:20:03,460 you 378 00:20:11,579 --> 00:20:07,509 hee hee hee suffered an electric shock 379 00:20:15,899 --> 00:20:11,589 on stage at the Moody Coliseum in Dallas 380 00:20:20,639 --> 00:20:15,909 Texas on the 15th of September in 1974 381 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:20,649 and he was seriously injured he was 382 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:21,690 shocked 383 00:20:28,469 --> 00:20:25,450 due to his drug addiction he was not 384 00:20:32,190 --> 00:20:28,479 able to perform you know a perform 385 00:20:36,779 --> 00:20:32,200 properly he was so talented but drugs in 386 00:20:40,259 --> 00:20:36,789 this electrical shock changed him and he 387 00:20:43,979 --> 00:20:40,269 was fired by the ban in early 1975 and 388 00:20:46,739 --> 00:20:43,989 replaced by the great John Wetton Thane 389 00:20:50,749 --> 00:20:46,749 died of respiratory failure due to a 390 00:20:56,479 --> 00:20:50,759 heroin overdose on the 8th of December 391 00:21:00,329 --> 00:20:56,489 1975 at age 27 he was one of the greats 392 00:21:02,609 --> 00:21:00,339 Gary Thane Wow Wow unbelievable story 393 00:21:05,549 --> 00:21:02,619 I'm a big uriah heep fan all of us are 394 00:21:09,509 --> 00:21:05,559 if you're in the metal and there you go 395 00:21:14,609 --> 00:21:09,519 most people don't know a blizzard of 396 00:21:20,190 --> 00:21:14,619 aahhhs Ozzy's first album well and diary 397 00:21:23,009 --> 00:21:20,200 of a madman that was you riah heap was 398 00:21:25,619 --> 00:21:23,019 right the backup band was your iiep plus 399 00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:25,629 Randy Rhoads most people don't know that 400 00:21:37,019 --> 00:21:33,719 and it's kind of us the pictures on the 401 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:37,029 album tell a different story 402 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:41,769 ok anyway why they were that good on 403 00:21:49,159 --> 00:21:46,450 this day in history OTD 1963 Gordon 404 00:21:53,820 --> 00:21:49,169 Cooper is launched into space aboard 405 00:21:57,239 --> 00:21:53,830 faith 7 on the longest American space 406 00:22:02,070 --> 00:21:57,249 mission to date Cooper completed 22 407 00:22:07,159 --> 00:22:02,080 orbits of the earth in 34 hours on this 408 00:22:12,659 --> 00:22:07,169 day in 1963 fader fact here you go 409 00:22:16,859 --> 00:22:12,669 before the Columbian Exchange listen to 410 00:22:17,620 --> 00:22:16,869 me before the Columbian Exchange there 411 00:22:31,300 --> 00:22:17,630 were no 412 00:22:35,530 --> 00:22:31,310 Ireland there was no coffee in Colombia 413 00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:35,540 there were no pineapples in Hawaii there 414 00:22:43,090 --> 00:22:39,200 were no rubber trees in Africa there 415 00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:43,100 were no tomatoes in Italy and no 416 00:22:50,770 --> 00:22:48,110 chocolate in Switzerland holy crap 417 00:22:53,470 --> 00:22:50,780 now in case you didn't know the 418 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:53,480 Columbian Exchange was the widespread 419 00:22:59,650 --> 00:22:56,210 transfer of plants animals culture human 420 00:23:02,650 --> 00:22:59,660 populations technology and ideas between 421 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:02,660 the Americas in the old world in the 422 00:23:11,170 --> 00:23:07,850 15th and 16th centuries and that is a 423 00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:11,180 fader fact tonight Nick Redfern is here 424 00:23:17,290 --> 00:23:13,310 and we're gonna talk about the 425 00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:17,300 Slenderman mysteries this is his latest 426 00:23:28,090 --> 00:23:23,200 book on Slenderman but I would say this 427 00:23:34,150 --> 00:23:28,100 you could write an encyclopedia set on a 428 00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:34,160 Slenderman and the reasons a Slenderman 429 00:23:47,770 --> 00:23:41,120 is complex and how it manifested itself 430 00:23:54,340 --> 00:23:47,780 in modern folklore through modern means 431 00:23:57,660 --> 00:23:54,350 and what resulted from it is huge we can 432 00:24:03,570 --> 00:23:57,670 look throughout history for other 433 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:03,580 examples of myths and legends folklore 434 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:07,970 tales like Slenderman Slenderman was not 435 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:10,970 the first Slenderman is certainly the 436 00:24:22,060 --> 00:24:18,170 latest and I I used to go on the net ah 437 00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:22,070 and find the creepypasta Slenderman 438 00:24:31,010 --> 00:24:26,470 stories and listen to them in the dark 439 00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:31,020 some are better than others but 440 00:24:40,610 --> 00:24:36,310 it freaked me out and the story and the 441 00:24:46,530 --> 00:24:40,620 idea behind Slenderman is probably 442 00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:46,540 creepier than Slenderman the power of 443 00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:49,360 the Internet the power of the mind the 444 00:24:55,020 --> 00:24:52,480 power of telling a good story like the 445 00:25:00,540 --> 00:24:55,030 creepypasta series which you can go and 446 00:25:06,090 --> 00:25:00,550 do today is incredible and the modern 447 00:25:09,930 --> 00:25:06,100 versions and the modern spins that some 448 00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,940 of the better creepypasta does is some 449 00:25:14,580 --> 00:25:11,200 of the scariest stuff that you can 450 00:25:16,530 --> 00:25:14,590 listen to and it's fun it's fun it's fun 451 00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,540 it's it's it's fun to get scared that's 452 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:18,640 why we go to movies and get scared and 453 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:21,810 scream and and and do all of that 454 00:25:28,980 --> 00:25:26,410 because we enjoy it and I do and I went 455 00:25:35,540 --> 00:25:28,990 through the creepypasta stuff and the 456 00:25:40,590 --> 00:25:35,550 Slender Man listening to modern writers 457 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:40,600 tell us how they get scared and what 458 00:25:46,860 --> 00:25:43,210 terrifies them and when you look at it 459 00:25:48,780 --> 00:25:46,870 in the modern context if you go back to 460 00:25:52,650 --> 00:25:48,790 I just talked about the troll under the 461 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:52,660 bridge or the you know the the old lady 462 00:25:57,390 --> 00:25:54,730 in the woods of the goes through these 463 00:26:00,330 --> 00:25:57,400 stories you know that are hundreds of 464 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:00,340 years old back then they were terrifying 465 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:03,490 because they were told and and created 466 00:26:11,130 --> 00:26:07,090 in the modern context of that day so you 467 00:26:14,550 --> 00:26:11,140 roll in Slenderman with the modern 468 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:14,560 context and the other creepypasta 469 00:26:19,380 --> 00:26:16,810 stories that are there and you've got 470 00:26:22,860 --> 00:26:19,390 some good stuff and if you haven't gone 471 00:26:25,550 --> 00:26:22,870 and checked out creepypasta you owe it 472 00:26:28,260 --> 00:26:25,560 to yourself to go and do just that just 473 00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:28,270 just get it going on your tablet your 474 00:26:35,790 --> 00:26:31,600 computer and and put it on your 475 00:26:39,450 --> 00:26:35,800 nightstand I'm serious too and fall 476 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:39,460 asleep to it some of them are really 477 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:43,370 really good and really original 478 00:26:49,090 --> 00:26:46,370 and some of the voices and the 479 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:49,100 narrator's out there are really good at 480 00:26:57,370 --> 00:26:51,890 what they do but the modern version of 481 00:26:59,860 --> 00:26:57,380 these I've got to say it is it's creepy 482 00:27:03,280 --> 00:26:59,870 and it's scary and it's terrifying 483 00:27:06,130 --> 00:27:03,290 Slender Man came out of that and what's 484 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:06,140 Latin Slenderman has manifested itself 485 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:09,530 into I think is what we are all scared 486 00:27:18,340 --> 00:27:14,330 of the character the way he looks if 487 00:27:21,940 --> 00:27:18,350 you've ever gone I think it's Grand 488 00:27:26,650 --> 00:27:21,950 Theft Auto and you play Grand Theft Auto 489 00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:26,660 is it Grand Theft Auto 5 is that San 490 00:27:31,270 --> 00:27:30,080 Andreas and so I went and played the 491 00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:31,280 game because I heard that you know 492 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:34,240 Slenderman is there so I'm playing Grand 493 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:37,970 I'm playing Grand Theft Auto and there 494 00:27:40,660 --> 00:27:38,450 it is 495 00:27:42,810 --> 00:27:40,670 Slenderman pops up and in the woods and 496 00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:42,820 you would go you had to go to a cabin in 497 00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:45,679 in the middle of the woods and you 498 00:27:49,390 --> 00:27:48,080 walked up to the door and went inside 499 00:27:52,180 --> 00:27:49,400 the cabin and did a couple of things 500 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:52,190 than boom Slenderman is off in the 501 00:28:00,430 --> 00:27:54,890 distance behind some trees and comes up 502 00:28:01,810 --> 00:28:00,440 to you and you can't shake them so now 503 00:28:05,820 --> 00:28:01,820 you're out of your car and you're 504 00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:05,830 running when Slenderman is there it's 505 00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:10,640 the way that it's done it's scary it's 506 00:28:17,620 --> 00:28:14,240 terrifying and it's well done then it's 507 00:28:23,650 --> 00:28:17,630 modern and it's mad it's managed to man 508 00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:23,660 itself into reality is that the hive 509 00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:26,510 mind is that the the Internet of the 510 00:28:31,299 --> 00:28:29,510 hive mind of us well tonight we're going 511 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:31,309 to talk to Nick about all of that it is 512 00:28:38,830 --> 00:28:34,850 like I said he's written one more book 513 00:28:43,030 --> 00:28:38,840 on it I think personally you could write 514 00:28:45,549 --> 00:28:43,040 a dozen and and not hit bottom 515 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:45,559 this is fade to black I'm your host Jim 516 00:28:51,820 --> 00:28:48,530 Peters tonight Nick Redfern the Slender 517 00:28:54,550 --> 00:28:51,830 Man mysteries this is fade to black on 518 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:54,560 the game changer Network in kg RA the 519 00:29:01,450 --> 00:28:56,930 planet tomorrow night right he 520 00:29:04,090 --> 00:29:01,460 Riz Virk is our guest and we're gonna be 521 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:04,100 discussing killer AI tomorrow night as 522 00:29:08,490 --> 00:29:06,610 only risk and do it his new article is 523 00:29:11,380 --> 00:29:08,500 amazing we'll talk 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00:33:38,590 --> 00:33:37,210 his new book the Slenderman mysteries 597 00:33:41,379 --> 00:33:38,600 tomorrow night 598 00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:41,389 rizz Burke is here discussing his new 599 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:45,679 article killer AI Thursday night is 600 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:47,090 another Fator night with Jon Rappoport 601 00:33:51,970 --> 00:33:49,850 and his no more fake newsroom live 602 00:33:54,009 --> 00:33:51,980 followed by open lines all night long 603 00:33:56,139 --> 00:33:54,019 one night we got to get Nick Redfern in 604 00:34:00,210 --> 00:33:56,149 here for open lines hang out all night 605 00:34:04,019 --> 00:34:00,220 talk some music get out of the 606 00:34:08,409 --> 00:34:04,029 supernatural paranormal world and talk 607 00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,419 talk some music Nick Redfern he works as 608 00:34:12,099 --> 00:34:09,919 a full time writer a lecturer a 609 00:34:13,869 --> 00:34:12,109 journalist he writes about a wide range 610 00:34:16,210 --> 00:34:13,879 of unsolved mysteries including Bigfoot 611 00:34:18,220 --> 00:34:16,220 UFOs Loch Ness monster alien encounters 612 00:34:20,169 --> 00:34:18,230 and government conspiracies he has 613 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:20,179 written 33 books I don't believe that 614 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:22,010 number I think it's closer to 60 615 00:34:27,220 --> 00:34:24,530 including men in black the zombie book 616 00:34:30,339 --> 00:34:27,230 for nobody's eyes only final events 617 00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:30,349 secret history monster files the world's 618 00:34:36,970 --> 00:34:33,049 weirdest places the pyramids and the 619 00:34:39,789 --> 00:34:36,980 Pentagon and the Chupacabra roadtrip 620 00:34:42,129 --> 00:34:39,799 Nick rights for the MUFON UFO journal 621 00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:42,139 and mysterious universe where I get all 622 00:34:47,020 --> 00:34:45,049 of my best material nick has appeared on 623 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:47,030 numerous television shows including Fox 624 00:34:49,869 --> 00:34:48,649 News The History Channel's ancient 625 00:34:53,020 --> 00:34:49,879 aliens Monster quest 626 00:34:55,149 --> 00:34:53,030 UFO Hunters vh1's legend hunters 627 00:34:58,660 --> 00:34:55,159 National Geographic channel's the truth 628 00:35:01,089 --> 00:34:58,670 about UFOs and para natural BBC's 629 00:35:03,309 --> 00:35:01,099 out-of-this-world msnbc's countdown and 630 00:35:05,230 --> 00:35:03,319 sci-fi channels proof positive and 631 00:35:07,660 --> 00:35:05,240 tonight we're going to discuss the 632 00:35:10,260 --> 00:35:07,670 Slender Man mysteries his website is 633 00:35:12,970 --> 00:35:10,270 Nick Redfern 40 and dot blog spot.com 634 00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:12,980 the links are over two meters radio calm 635 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:14,569 I like to welcome back to fade to black 636 00:35:18,089 --> 00:35:16,970 Nick Redfern Nick good evening man how 637 00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:18,099 are you 638 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:22,609 I'm doing good things it's always great 639 00:35:25,780 --> 00:35:24,410 but you know what I'm going to ask your 640 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:25,790 first Nick 641 00:35:33,420 --> 00:35:29,410 what t-shirt do you have on right now 642 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:33,430 [Laughter] 643 00:35:40,270 --> 00:35:37,010 it's one of my favorite falling-apart 644 00:35:44,910 --> 00:35:40,280 t-shirts it's like a ten year old 645 00:35:47,290 --> 00:35:44,920 like be a green t-shirt okay all right 646 00:35:52,210 --> 00:35:47,300 you know I was hoping for the misfits 647 00:35:53,820 --> 00:35:52,220 but you know Coors Light there you go so 648 00:35:58,180 --> 00:35:53,830 [Laughter] 649 00:35:59,950 --> 00:35:58,190 mad DUI when when people come up to you 650 00:36:04,420 --> 00:35:59,960 Nick before we get started 651 00:36:06,910 --> 00:36:04,430 do they necessarily go to the 652 00:36:10,990 --> 00:36:06,920 supernatural or do they come up in and 653 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:11,000 talk music and it's a bit of both really 654 00:36:16,330 --> 00:36:12,680 I mean you know I've sort of background 655 00:36:18,130 --> 00:36:16,340 in writing for music magazines and you 656 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:18,140 know I play guitar and get up with 657 00:36:23,410 --> 00:36:20,810 friends now and again and so you know 658 00:36:28,510 --> 00:36:23,420 I'm cool with with either really or a 659 00:36:29,830 --> 00:36:28,520 bit of both you know for maids I I enjoy 660 00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:29,840 hanging out with people you know at 661 00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:32,510 conferences and gigs and just having a 662 00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:35,150 good time I think you know when you go 663 00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,000 to these conferences obviously people go 664 00:36:40,750 --> 00:36:40,160 there to get the information there's no 665 00:36:42,820 --> 00:36:40,760 data 666 00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,830 but there's always a good social scene 667 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:45,040 as well you know and I think that's 668 00:36:49,570 --> 00:36:47,930 important where you nobody can hang out 669 00:36:52,660 --> 00:36:49,580 we're all together kind of thing you 670 00:36:55,390 --> 00:36:52,670 know and it all works well well what I 671 00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:55,400 have found and you and I certainly have 672 00:37:00,940 --> 00:36:57,770 talked about this before but I think 673 00:37:03,550 --> 00:37:00,950 it's important that with me like 674 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:03,560 yourself you are you you know and you 675 00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:07,370 never held that back and and I am Who I 676 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:10,910 am and I like to talk about punk rock 677 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:12,650 and I like to talk about heavy metal 678 00:37:17,740 --> 00:37:14,930 music and I'd like to talk about scary 679 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:17,750 things and UFOs these are the things 680 00:37:23,380 --> 00:37:21,410 that make me me right and if I did it 681 00:37:25,420 --> 00:37:23,390 enough the audience would understand 682 00:37:29,350 --> 00:37:25,430 that I'm not trying to be some I'm just 683 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:29,360 myself but that they are also into those 684 00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:32,690 same things right we all grew up in the 685 00:37:37,930 --> 00:37:36,110 70s the 80s and MTV and and what went 686 00:37:41,350 --> 00:37:37,940 down in the music scene and these things 687 00:37:45,730 --> 00:37:41,360 are important to us and you know what so 688 00:37:47,950 --> 00:37:45,740 are UFOs and so was Bigfoot so you're 689 00:37:49,810 --> 00:37:47,960 right you're right and no I totally 690 00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:49,820 agree with you I think you know 691 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:52,910 everybody in the subject should be just 692 00:37:56,110 --> 00:37:54,050 who you are and don't 693 00:37:59,470 --> 00:37:56,120 try and present yourself as something 694 00:38:00,940 --> 00:37:59,480 that you think people should expect you 695 00:38:03,010 --> 00:38:00,950 to be that's why you know I got a 696 00:38:04,690 --> 00:38:03,020 conferences and they're like the 697 00:38:06,610 --> 00:38:04,700 organizers often though I own it you 698 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:06,620 know can you put a shirt and tie and a 699 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:10,850 jacket on I'm like no no no no no I am 700 00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:13,370 like couple hundred t-shirts or number 701 00:38:18,670 --> 00:38:15,760 10 pairs of black jeans two or three 702 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:18,680 blue jeans half a dozen pairs of 703 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:20,570 converse all-stars and the best five or 704 00:38:24,850 --> 00:38:22,970 six black biker jackets and that's it so 705 00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:24,860 if it's luck that's not good enough for 706 00:38:31,050 --> 00:38:25,310 you 707 00:38:34,780 --> 00:38:31,060 we designed the fade to black t-shirt 708 00:38:37,540 --> 00:38:34,790 our standard was will it look good on 709 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:37,550 Nick Redfern right that was that was our 710 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:39,290 standard and one of my prized 711 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:41,090 possessions is that picture that you 712 00:38:46,180 --> 00:38:44,450 sent me one day of you were in the fade 713 00:38:49,870 --> 00:38:46,190 to black shirt I said to myself perfect 714 00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:49,880 we hit it we hit it out of the park but 715 00:38:59,440 --> 00:38:55,310 yeah bright orange and yellow bandana 716 00:39:01,720 --> 00:38:59,450 yes yes yeah there was a yeah could you 717 00:39:05,350 --> 00:39:01,730 imagine if you went to a conference and 718 00:39:07,420 --> 00:39:05,360 it was like was is a nightmare like an 719 00:39:09,070 --> 00:39:07,430 expensive restaurant right that you show 720 00:39:11,350 --> 00:39:09,080 up and you don't have a jacket and they 721 00:39:13,780 --> 00:39:11,360 give you the jacket to wear so you go to 722 00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:13,790 a conference and you show up and you go 723 00:39:21,820 --> 00:39:15,680 no I don't have a jacket we do right 724 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:21,830 here Nick never actually happens and no 725 00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:25,130 flea it never will you know it's but I 726 00:39:29,860 --> 00:39:27,110 mean joking aside I think you know it is 727 00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:29,870 important that not just what you say but 728 00:39:36,220 --> 00:39:34,400 how you present yourself and and I 729 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:36,230 always think you know that the data 730 00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:38,330 speaks for itself when we're lecturing 731 00:39:43,540 --> 00:39:40,910 on whether it's Bigfoot Roswell 732 00:39:46,780 --> 00:39:43,550 you know cryptozoology triple cab or 733 00:39:50,020 --> 00:39:46,790 whatever if the way I look at if you can 734 00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,030 present like a good solid lecture with a 735 00:39:55,420 --> 00:39:52,640 lot of data and names and images for the 736 00:39:58,420 --> 00:39:55,430 audience to see and you know throw in a 737 00:40:01,930 --> 00:39:58,430 few jokes and and keep it informative 738 00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:01,940 and intriguing for them I don't think it 739 00:40:07,090 --> 00:40:04,880 matters you know if you come on stage in 740 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:07,100 a pair of shiny shoes or a pair of biker 741 00:40:10,930 --> 00:40:07,930 boots 742 00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:10,940 she might matter to some buddy but it 743 00:40:17,140 --> 00:40:13,609 really shouldn't you know wait how do 744 00:40:21,490 --> 00:40:17,150 you and you know I've given you a lot of 745 00:40:23,410 --> 00:40:21,500 credit over the years for stealing your 746 00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:23,420 material you know I do it all the time 747 00:40:27,130 --> 00:40:25,190 you're very prolific and and you're 748 00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:27,140 always writing and at least I admit to 749 00:40:34,269 --> 00:40:29,390 it right okay so you know that's half of 750 00:40:37,029 --> 00:40:34,279 it but you're very very prolific and one 751 00:40:39,940 --> 00:40:37,039 of the things that you wrote about once 752 00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:39,950 and then you said it during one of our 753 00:40:44,140 --> 00:40:42,319 panels a few years ago but you said 754 00:40:46,420 --> 00:40:44,150 something that stuck with me we'll get 755 00:40:48,130 --> 00:40:46,430 to Slenderman in a second but you said 756 00:40:51,339 --> 00:40:48,140 something that stuck with me so much 757 00:40:55,170 --> 00:40:51,349 that I have quoted you time and time 758 00:40:59,740 --> 00:40:55,180 again over the years and you said this 759 00:41:02,559 --> 00:40:59,750 you said we were talking about UFOs and 760 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:02,569 and you had written about it but then he 761 00:41:08,279 --> 00:41:04,970 repeated it which was this he said you 762 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:08,289 know I don't necessarily think it's 763 00:41:14,589 --> 00:41:11,210 interstellar travel or speed of light 764 00:41:17,710 --> 00:41:14,599 that these things could just be coming 765 00:41:20,620 --> 00:41:17,720 to us from inside of our solar system 766 00:41:23,319 --> 00:41:20,630 they don't need to do anything they just 767 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:23,329 zip over here really quickly they could 768 00:41:27,730 --> 00:41:25,130 be anywhere inside of our solar system 769 00:41:29,140 --> 00:41:27,740 and and that's probably what we're 770 00:41:30,730 --> 00:41:29,150 seeing here they're not coming from 771 00:41:34,329 --> 00:41:30,740 another star at the speed of light 772 00:41:36,789 --> 00:41:34,339 through a wormhole that's a very heavy 773 00:41:38,980 --> 00:41:36,799 statement and it's always stopped me in 774 00:41:42,549 --> 00:41:38,990 my tracks where did that thought come 775 00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:42,559 from for you well you know when I was a 776 00:41:46,210 --> 00:41:44,569 kid I first got into all this you know 777 00:41:48,430 --> 00:41:46,220 it was all very much black and white 778 00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:48,440 that's Bigfoot's a giant ape from 779 00:41:54,009 --> 00:41:51,440 wherever and you know aliens are coming 780 00:41:57,359 --> 00:41:54,019 from this star system but you know over 781 00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:57,369 time a lot of my views have changed as 782 00:42:02,230 --> 00:42:00,160 lots of things you know change it as you 783 00:42:06,549 --> 00:42:02,240 as you sort of progressed through the 784 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:06,559 years but you know I think certainly 785 00:42:10,359 --> 00:42:07,970 some of my views have changed where I 786 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:10,369 think some of these entities if you like 787 00:42:16,539 --> 00:42:13,250 may not be from as you said from some 788 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:16,549 faraway star system but maybe you know 789 00:42:21,009 --> 00:42:19,130 that things like quantum physics which 790 00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:21,019 are allowing for the existence of like 791 00:42:23,950 --> 00:42:21,910 multiple 792 00:42:26,290 --> 00:42:23,960 dimensions and different realms of 793 00:42:28,420 --> 00:42:26,300 existence you know I often think that 794 00:42:30,940 --> 00:42:28,430 they're alien in the sense that they're 795 00:42:33,970 --> 00:42:30,950 non-human but it could be you know a 796 00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:33,980 tuning your radio from one station to 797 00:42:38,530 --> 00:42:36,110 another you know they can flit in and 798 00:42:40,030 --> 00:42:38,540 out of our reality and back again rather 799 00:42:43,210 --> 00:42:40,040 than having to come these vast distances 800 00:42:45,220 --> 00:42:43,220 you know I think that's probably more 801 00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:45,230 likely but as I said it still makes them 802 00:42:49,690 --> 00:42:48,110 alien but does it make them 803 00:42:52,330 --> 00:42:49,700 extraterrestrial or does it make them 804 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:52,340 sort of multi-dimensional you know 805 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:53,930 that's that's kind of the big question 806 00:42:59,920 --> 00:42:56,930 yeah because you know we have so many 807 00:43:01,300 --> 00:42:59,930 different types of sightings nearly 808 00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,310 every single day different types of 809 00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:03,440 craft everything and there's so many 810 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:08,240 that there would almost have to be a 811 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:11,570 traffic jam somewhere you know what I 812 00:43:14,530 --> 00:43:11,930 mean 813 00:43:15,790 --> 00:43:14,540 but maybe it's as simple as they're 814 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:15,800 already here 815 00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:18,290 they're just cruising by they're already 816 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:21,710 here they they don't have to jump on you 817 00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:24,530 know the 10 freeway of the universe and 818 00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:27,680 and and travel here these vast distances 819 00:43:31,690 --> 00:43:29,359 and take a lot of time they're just 820 00:43:34,510 --> 00:43:31,700 there they're here they're going back 821 00:43:36,250 --> 00:43:34,520 and we're seeing the same craft over and 822 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:36,260 over again because they're just here in 823 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:39,170 the neighborhood well yeah I mean that 824 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:41,450 makes a lot of sense because you know 825 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:43,850 regardless what people think about the 826 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:46,010 subject I think there is this tendency 827 00:43:51,730 --> 00:43:49,850 to assume that when the UFO is not 828 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:51,740 around you know it's it's way off 829 00:43:55,900 --> 00:43:54,410 wherever but that you right I mean you 830 00:43:59,320 --> 00:43:55,910 know if you deal him into something that 831 00:44:02,410 --> 00:43:59,330 has any interest in the human race and 832 00:44:04,030 --> 00:44:02,420 the planet for whatever reasons well it 833 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:04,040 would make far more sense to be 834 00:44:09,550 --> 00:44:06,650 relatively close to it all the time you 835 00:44:12,910 --> 00:44:09,560 know if not on it permanently where do 836 00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:12,920 you I mentioned mysterious universe all 837 00:44:19,630 --> 00:44:15,950 the time and and how much writing you do 838 00:44:22,570 --> 00:44:19,640 do including all of the books and which 839 00:44:26,650 --> 00:44:22,580 is not an easy task to to write a book 840 00:44:28,450 --> 00:44:26,660 let alone as many as you have do you 841 00:44:31,180 --> 00:44:28,460 find yourself getting writer's block 842 00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:31,190 where do you continually come up to the 843 00:44:38,020 --> 00:44:31,730 with 844 00:44:40,510 --> 00:44:38,030 day well you know actually I really 845 00:44:43,300 --> 00:44:40,520 don't get writer's block and I think the 846 00:44:45,819 --> 00:44:43,310 main reason why is because I like to 847 00:44:48,190 --> 00:44:45,829 sort of keep things structured and by 848 00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:48,200 that I like to sort of just write Monday 849 00:44:53,620 --> 00:44:51,740 to Friday 9:00 to 5:00 I keep like to 850 00:44:57,310 --> 00:44:53,630 keep it as like job hours if you like 851 00:44:59,950 --> 00:44:57,320 and then I have by doing that I have up 852 00:45:01,690 --> 00:44:59,960 every night off and I have every weekend 853 00:45:04,089 --> 00:45:01,700 off you know sort of five o'clock on a 854 00:45:06,099 --> 00:45:04,099 Friday afternoon the laptop goes into 855 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:06,109 sleep mode and it don't get open again 856 00:45:10,060 --> 00:45:08,570 till eight o'clock Monday morning and 857 00:45:12,490 --> 00:45:10,070 then I've got all Friday night or 858 00:45:16,930 --> 00:45:12,500 Saturday or Sunday but every night off 859 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:16,940 in the week and so by doing it like that 860 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:19,130 I don't get frazzled I don't get burned 861 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:22,130 out I have a good fun social life you 862 00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:23,690 know and evenings and weekend and 863 00:45:30,010 --> 00:45:26,960 weekends and that way I don't get that 864 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:30,020 sense of of exhaustion or just trying to 865 00:45:34,930 --> 00:45:32,690 come up with ideas because some you know 866 00:45:38,829 --> 00:45:34,940 you constantly sort of refreshed by 867 00:45:40,690 --> 00:45:38,839 doing it like that now I he does require 868 00:45:42,700 --> 00:45:40,700 you know it's like any job when you sort 869 00:45:45,069 --> 00:45:42,710 of self-employed at working and working 870 00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:45,079 at home you know you have to be 871 00:45:50,260 --> 00:45:47,510 structured because it would be so easy 872 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:50,270 to think I'll just sleep until noon but 873 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:53,930 then you think I'll crap you know I've 874 00:45:59,290 --> 00:45:57,050 la half the day's gone so you know I am 875 00:46:02,559 --> 00:45:59,300 structured in that sense but I'm also 876 00:46:04,780 --> 00:46:02,569 someone who values a good social life 877 00:46:07,870 --> 00:46:04,790 and takes the time off and has a good 878 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:07,880 time and then that way I'm not sort of 879 00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:11,450 frazzled from Duke from writing like 18 880 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:13,609 hours a day or 16 hours a day which I 881 00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:16,490 just could not do you know I blow a 882 00:46:23,050 --> 00:46:18,800 blood vessel or something you know do 883 00:46:26,940 --> 00:46:23,060 you ever do you do you ever get scared 884 00:46:31,359 --> 00:46:26,950 do you scare yourself as you're writing 885 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:31,369 no not really because I mean I'm not 886 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:33,050 someone who has that kind of character 887 00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:34,970 anyway any you know if I'm sort of in 888 00:46:39,940 --> 00:46:37,910 the woods on an expedition so you know 889 00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:39,950 Bigfoot or out on a lake where there's 890 00:46:44,410 --> 00:46:41,599 been a lake monster story that kind of 891 00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:44,420 thing I kind of get like an adrenaline 892 00:46:48,220 --> 00:46:45,230 rush 893 00:46:50,830 --> 00:46:48,230 to do it more it's not like you know I 894 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:50,840 get panicky and back off I I like to 895 00:46:55,690 --> 00:46:53,330 sort of well this is cool you know let's 896 00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:55,700 it's not just back off let's just go and 897 00:47:00,430 --> 00:46:57,440 look for it 898 00:47:03,070 --> 00:47:00,440 so I I kind of view it from a an 899 00:47:05,650 --> 00:47:03,080 exciting perspective not looking at it 900 00:47:09,490 --> 00:47:05,660 as you know the glass half-full kind of 901 00:47:12,220 --> 00:47:09,500 thing but I guess some of the books are 902 00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:12,230 right you know I write them as the story 903 00:47:16,180 --> 00:47:13,910 went along you know if it's like an 904 00:47:19,420 --> 00:47:16,190 expedition like the chupacabra roadtrip 905 00:47:21,370 --> 00:47:19,430 book I write that in the theme of the 906 00:47:22,690 --> 00:47:21,380 story you know it's really called rut 907 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:22,700 should become a road trip because I 908 00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:25,250 write it like the road trip happened you 909 00:47:29,230 --> 00:47:26,510 know sort of it was a dark and stormy 910 00:47:30,849 --> 00:47:29,240 night and I jumped in the car and headed 911 00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,859 off into the darkness looking for the 912 00:47:36,070 --> 00:47:32,720 chupacabra that's how I write those kind 913 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:36,080 of books but then other ones which sort 914 00:47:41,530 --> 00:47:38,210 of require more of a journalistic 915 00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:41,540 approach I take like a detached anger 916 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:44,240 where it's you know I'm just talking 917 00:47:49,630 --> 00:47:46,330 about the story I'm not talking about my 918 00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:49,640 role in the story you know say it's more 919 00:47:54,609 --> 00:47:52,400 like a that's written more in lumber 920 00:47:58,720 --> 00:47:54,619 lines of like a newspaper article or 921 00:48:02,980 --> 00:47:58,730 magazine article versus you know the 922 00:48:06,970 --> 00:48:02,990 expedition diary type of writing as well 923 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:06,980 that I do well this this is scary 924 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:10,130 okay the Slenderman mysteries is scary 925 00:48:15,099 --> 00:48:12,890 for a lot of different reasons but one 926 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:15,109 of the things is it's a contemporary 927 00:48:22,690 --> 00:48:20,330 version of folklore that that's gone 928 00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:22,700 back for a thousand years or more and 929 00:48:28,540 --> 00:48:26,000 and so in that context it's very very 930 00:48:30,730 --> 00:48:28,550 terrifying but it's also about 931 00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:30,740 manifesting that's exactly what this 932 00:48:37,210 --> 00:48:32,960 book is about this book is true stories 933 00:48:40,210 --> 00:48:37,220 right which is we'll get to that in a 934 00:48:41,950 --> 00:48:40,220 second but what about you you're writing 935 00:48:45,010 --> 00:48:41,960 about it you're thinking about it and 936 00:48:47,950 --> 00:48:45,020 and what about the possibility of you 937 00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:47,960 turning a corner and and looking at 938 00:48:53,380 --> 00:48:50,240 slender man and you've manifested our 939 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:53,390 own reality well you're actually not the 940 00:48:59,610 --> 00:48:56,290 first person to mention that 941 00:49:02,010 --> 00:48:59,620 but I think the one difference is that a 942 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:02,020 lot of the people who've really got 943 00:49:07,230 --> 00:49:04,210 obsessed with the Slenderman phenomenon 944 00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:07,240 are people who sort of felt hooked into 945 00:49:12,740 --> 00:49:09,280 it and they cannot get away from it 946 00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:12,750 where some my perspective I'm sort of 947 00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,250 semi-detached so to speak and telling 948 00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,440 the story of the other people in that 949 00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:19,200 sense you know there is sort of like a 950 00:49:24,090 --> 00:49:22,000 like a block there almost you know where 951 00:49:26,970 --> 00:49:24,100 I'm telling the story rather than been 952 00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:26,980 actually part of the story but what I 953 00:49:31,290 --> 00:49:29,110 will say is that you know this whole 954 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:31,300 whole angle of people believing in it 955 00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:33,850 and then he manifesting since the books 956 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:36,640 come out I've actually had a lot of 957 00:49:42,060 --> 00:49:39,490 stories from people who have had their 958 00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:42,070 own experiences since reading the book 959 00:49:49,230 --> 00:49:46,510 which you know is kind of is disturbing 960 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:49,240 but also intriguing the idea that you 961 00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:51,490 can read a book and become so engrossed 962 00:49:56,100 --> 00:49:53,710 in the character or the figure like the 963 00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:56,110 Slender Man that you can cause it to 964 00:50:03,570 --> 00:49:58,960 manifest in a strange way and then you 965 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:03,580 start to see it so you know somebody 966 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:04,930 actually used the term you know they 967 00:50:11,610 --> 00:50:09,370 said of your book is dangerous which you 968 00:50:15,450 --> 00:50:11,620 know if is something that actually you 969 00:50:19,620 --> 00:50:15,460 can make an arguments in favor of but on 970 00:50:24,570 --> 00:50:19,630 the other hand if you're so caught up in 971 00:50:28,020 --> 00:50:24,580 it that you know you begin to see it in 972 00:50:29,580 --> 00:50:28,030 the real world well that says as much I 973 00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:29,590 guess about the character of the person 974 00:50:32,910 --> 00:50:31,390 if they become obsessed you know and 975 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:32,920 that's that's one of the dark and 976 00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:34,570 disturbing things about the Slender Man 977 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:37,380 phenomenon is unlike so many other 978 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:40,210 creatures in the paranormal world the 979 00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:42,370 Slender Man is really is the only one 980 00:50:48,060 --> 00:50:45,910 that seems to provoke massive obsession 981 00:50:50,460 --> 00:50:48,070 in people you know a lot of other papers 982 00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:50,470 just an interest or fascination but it 983 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:53,140 becomes this disturbing obsession which 984 00:50:58,250 --> 00:50:55,810 they cannot get away from it's like if 985 00:51:01,770 --> 00:50:58,260 the Slenderman getting scraped into them 986 00:51:04,020 --> 00:51:01,780 and I think that's why possibly a lot of 987 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:04,030 the people who sort of contacted me and 988 00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:05,530 read the book and then started to have 989 00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:09,310 their own encounters they all said you 990 00:51:11,819 --> 00:51:09,670 know that 991 00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:11,829 they weren't able to sort of break that 992 00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:15,250 link whereas for me I don't have that 993 00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:17,680 link you know really I have sort of a 994 00:51:21,870 --> 00:51:19,780 looking at it you know just from a 995 00:51:27,089 --> 00:51:21,880 journalistic perspective rather than 996 00:51:30,750 --> 00:51:27,099 being a victim of the Slenderman the the 997 00:51:35,819 --> 00:51:30,760 ability to tell a story and scare the 998 00:51:38,130 --> 00:51:35,829 crap out of your kids this is a family 999 00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:38,140 tradition that that goes back forever 1000 00:51:43,710 --> 00:51:41,680 and it was the warning to stay out of 1001 00:51:45,780 --> 00:51:43,720 the woods right it was the warning not 1002 00:51:49,620 --> 00:51:45,790 to walk down that road it was the 1003 00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:49,630 warning there were there were the the 1004 00:51:55,770 --> 00:51:52,000 morals to these stories too as well so 1005 00:51:58,380 --> 00:51:55,780 there's that part of it but it it tended 1006 00:52:00,900 --> 00:51:58,390 to over time if the more that you tell 1007 00:52:04,589 --> 00:52:00,910 the story then it manifests into a 1008 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:04,599 reality where that those woods you know 1009 00:52:09,870 --> 00:52:06,010 this is a couple hundred years ago 1010 00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:09,880 whatever and in France suddenly two kids 1011 00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:12,400 disappear in the woods right for real 1012 00:52:21,359 --> 00:52:17,680 and now it manifests into to being a 1013 00:52:24,569 --> 00:52:21,369 reality in that in that day and time are 1014 00:52:27,569 --> 00:52:24,579 we in that same aspect of this I mean it 1015 00:52:29,819 --> 00:52:27,579 has certainly happened so much that 1016 00:52:31,770 --> 00:52:29,829 manifesting your own reality is 1017 00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:31,780 something that we have to deal with and 1018 00:52:37,020 --> 00:52:34,960 consider oh yeah I mean there's no doubt 1019 00:52:38,970 --> 00:52:37,030 in my mind that this does happen and 1020 00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:38,980 this it revolves around the concept of 1021 00:52:43,410 --> 00:52:41,200 what are known as thought forms and for 1022 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:43,420 people who may not know a thought form 1023 00:52:49,530 --> 00:52:47,170 it's basically English version of a word 1024 00:52:52,620 --> 00:52:49,540 whole / which is something that was 1025 00:52:55,410 --> 00:52:52,630 developed in in Tibet and the Buddhist 1026 00:52:57,569 --> 00:52:55,420 religion and they believe that the the 1027 00:53:01,440 --> 00:52:57,579 are the concepts of the thought form is 1028 00:53:04,140 --> 00:53:01,450 that if enough people focus our intently 1029 00:53:06,180 --> 00:53:04,150 on one particular image like for example 1030 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:06,190 the Slenderman even though the 1031 00:53:12,359 --> 00:53:09,130 Slenderman is a fictional creation under 1032 00:53:14,660 --> 00:53:12,369 that name and description if enough 1033 00:53:17,099 --> 00:53:14,670 people think about it obsess about it 1034 00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,109 dream about it think about it have 1035 00:53:21,569 --> 00:53:19,599 nightmares it's they're focused on it 1036 00:53:23,310 --> 00:53:21,579 all the time and this is like tens of 1037 00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:23,320 thousands of people perhaps may 1038 00:53:29,340 --> 00:53:25,740 even more that what happens the 1039 00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:29,350 collective hive mind if you like of the 1040 00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:32,640 human mind can externalize this 1041 00:53:37,860 --> 00:53:35,200 imaginative or imagination driven 1042 00:53:40,260 --> 00:53:37,870 creator of the mind and then externalize 1043 00:53:42,350 --> 00:53:40,270 it into the real world when it starts 1044 00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:42,360 then to become sort of supernaturally 1045 00:53:48,210 --> 00:53:45,190 self-aware so it's almost like giving 1046 00:53:50,670 --> 00:53:48,220 birth but in a very strange fashion to 1047 00:53:54,420 --> 00:53:50,680 something which then breaks free of the 1048 00:53:56,310 --> 00:53:54,430 creator and then starts to run wildly in 1049 00:53:59,130 --> 00:53:56,320 the real world but it's been unleashed 1050 00:54:02,490 --> 00:53:59,140 by the power of the human imagination 1051 00:54:06,990 --> 00:54:02,500 and belief system well and then we have 1052 00:54:09,390 --> 00:54:07,000 the hive mind of the Internet now we're 1053 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:09,400 now we get into real dangerous territory 1054 00:54:16,020 --> 00:54:14,050 here right and and creepypasta and the 1055 00:54:17,610 --> 00:54:16,030 we're not talking about thousands of 1056 00:54:22,530 --> 00:54:17,620 people we're talking about millions of 1057 00:54:26,130 --> 00:54:22,540 people now joining in on this hive mind 1058 00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:26,140 and if there is a chance for this to 1059 00:54:30,420 --> 00:54:28,960 become a reality there you go you've got 1060 00:54:33,930 --> 00:54:30,430 the recipe right in front of you 1061 00:54:36,270 --> 00:54:33,940 creepypasta yeah you're right and I 1062 00:54:38,850 --> 00:54:36,280 think the one important thing your paper 1063 00:54:41,460 --> 00:54:38,860 said to me well why is it that you know 1064 00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:41,470 sort of earlier fictional bogeyman type 1065 00:54:46,820 --> 00:54:43,630 characters like Freddy Krueger Michael 1066 00:54:49,770 --> 00:54:46,830 Myers and Jason boys why didn't they 1067 00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:49,780 come to life in the same way and I think 1068 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:52,710 the one main reason is because of the 1069 00:54:58,920 --> 00:54:55,570 nature of society back in the eighties 1070 00:55:00,840 --> 00:54:58,930 you know when we were kids in latest 1071 00:55:04,980 --> 00:55:00,850 Nightmare on Elm Street movie or 1072 00:55:07,980 --> 00:55:04,990 whatever but what you have now you have 1073 00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:07,990 the Internet which allows instant access 1074 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:11,230 to tens of thousands of pages of 1075 00:55:18,780 --> 00:55:15,010 material on the Slenderman artwork chat 1076 00:55:21,810 --> 00:55:18,790 rooms forums artwork that people you 1077 00:55:24,780 --> 00:55:21,820 know upload it to their websites and 1078 00:55:26,610 --> 00:55:24,790 blogs you've got people writing Kindle 1079 00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:26,620 novels and you know in other words it's 1080 00:55:33,780 --> 00:55:29,410 in your face if you want it you know all 1081 00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:33,790 the time and that was not the case you 1082 00:55:36,580 --> 00:55:36,130 know 20 years ago you'd go to the sinner 1083 00:55:38,650 --> 00:55:36,590 and you 1084 00:55:40,660 --> 00:55:38,660 a movie and then the sequel would come 1085 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:40,670 out a year later and the sequel come out 1086 00:55:45,010 --> 00:55:43,130 another year left after that and in 1087 00:55:47,050 --> 00:55:45,020 between you forgot about it 1088 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:47,060 but today people don't forget about 1089 00:55:52,450 --> 00:55:49,010 things like the Slender Man because it's 1090 00:55:55,090 --> 00:55:52,460 constantly there and I think that's why 1091 00:55:57,580 --> 00:55:55,100 the Slender Man has really been 1092 00:56:00,130 --> 00:55:57,590 projected to such a massive scale I mean 1093 00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,140 give you an example if you just type the 1094 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:02,480 word Slenderman is one word into Google 1095 00:56:08,020 --> 00:56:05,330 you get seven million plus results right 1096 00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:08,030 that gives you some idea of the the 1097 00:56:14,260 --> 00:56:10,910 sheer extent to which this phenomenon 1098 00:56:16,270 --> 00:56:14,270 has grown massively and so I think a lot 1099 00:56:18,250 --> 00:56:16,280 the Internet has a lot to do with it and 1100 00:56:20,290 --> 00:56:18,260 of course there's this very 1101 00:56:21,790 --> 00:56:20,300 controversial theory that the Slender 1102 00:56:25,150 --> 00:56:21,800 Man is excuse me that the Internet 1103 00:56:28,030 --> 00:56:25,160 itself is becoming self-aware and may 1104 00:56:31,630 --> 00:56:28,040 actually be provoking even further this 1105 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:31,640 sort of obsession and manifestation of 1106 00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:34,330 the Slenderman well and then you have 1107 00:56:41,830 --> 00:56:39,170 for me one of the the cooler more fun 1108 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:41,840 aspects of creepypasta and some of these 1109 00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:43,370 characters and stories that have 1110 00:56:47,770 --> 00:56:45,200 resulted out of that including Slender 1111 00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:47,780 Man which is the most famous is is the 1112 00:56:53,380 --> 00:56:51,200 modern twist on what makes people scared 1113 00:56:58,180 --> 00:56:53,390 you have all of these little modern 1114 00:57:01,570 --> 00:56:58,190 elements of today's life and it's it's 1115 00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:01,580 scary it's scary fun stuff to go and 1116 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:04,960 check out because it's written for today 1117 00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:07,970 just like the troll under the bridge or 1118 00:57:13,870 --> 00:57:10,610 the grandma in the woods that's you know 1119 00:57:16,690 --> 00:57:13,880 whatever that was written 300 200 years 1120 00:57:20,140 --> 00:57:16,700 ago but it was scary in that day and 1121 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:20,150 time today creepypasta and its approach 1122 00:57:25,330 --> 00:57:22,490 is with a modern twist on what makes 1123 00:57:26,650 --> 00:57:25,340 people scared and terrified and that's 1124 00:57:30,070 --> 00:57:26,660 what I enjoy the most 1125 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:30,080 it really works it does his job well it 1126 00:57:34,570 --> 00:57:31,370 does I mean you don't have to look at 1127 00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:34,580 for example why I'm sort of you know 1128 00:57:38,410 --> 00:57:36,110 things like roller coasters are so 1129 00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:38,420 popular you know what do people do when 1130 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:39,770 they get on and they scream their heads 1131 00:57:44,620 --> 00:57:41,810 off that's right no because people 1132 00:57:47,470 --> 00:57:44,630 enjoyed but the big differences that's 1133 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:47,480 like a safe danger you know it's not 1134 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:50,450 real danger and I think a lot of people 1135 00:57:54,670 --> 00:57:53,210 got into the Slenderman mystery thinking 1136 00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:54,680 it was just gonna be oh you know this is 1137 00:58:00,339 --> 00:57:57,770 a cold story to read on you know 1138 00:58:02,410 --> 00:58:00,349 Halloween or whatever but he doesn't 1139 00:58:05,260 --> 00:58:02,420 stay like that it's like it's like a 1140 00:58:08,170 --> 00:58:05,270 dark cloud grabs themselves to speak 1141 00:58:10,329 --> 00:58:08,180 almost you know when they've started to 1142 00:58:13,210 --> 00:58:10,339 read about it and they become thinking 1143 00:58:15,819 --> 00:58:13,220 about it more and more and so again you 1144 00:58:19,420 --> 00:58:15,829 have this situation where the safe 1145 00:58:22,359 --> 00:58:19,430 danger angle is replaced by a real 1146 00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:22,369 danger and a real fear of this fictional 1147 00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:25,910 entity come to life and but you know 1148 00:58:29,410 --> 00:58:27,290 it's interesting when you talk about 1149 00:58:31,660 --> 00:58:29,420 these sort of old stories you can find 1150 00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:31,670 them all around the world I mean you 1151 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:33,050 know it doesn't matter what country 1152 00:58:38,530 --> 00:58:35,690 you're in you'll find kids everywhere 1153 00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:38,540 you know frightened of something under 1154 00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:40,400 the bed or something in the closet now 1155 00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:42,710 you know you could literally go to any 1156 00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:44,710 country on the planet and find something 1157 00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:48,290 like that but there's no reason for it 1158 00:58:52,930 --> 00:58:49,520 it's basically sort of like a 1159 00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:52,940 subconscious archetype buried deep in 1160 00:58:59,050 --> 00:58:55,970 our subconscious in our minds which for 1161 00:59:00,910 --> 00:58:59,060 whatever reason kids are frightened of 1162 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:00,920 something this means something under the 1163 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:03,770 bed and I think that's kind of the same 1164 00:59:08,349 --> 00:59:06,170 with the Slenderman but if you go back 1165 00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:08,359 in history you can find a lot of other 1166 00:59:14,380 --> 00:59:11,119 creepy things like the Slenderman sort 1167 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:14,390 of tall and shadowy and dangerous but 1168 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:16,010 they were known as the Slenderman but 1169 00:59:21,819 --> 00:59:18,170 then but I think again this image 1170 00:59:26,140 --> 00:59:21,829 imagery of like a dark suited predatory 1171 00:59:28,930 --> 00:59:26,150 character creates sort of a chilling 1172 00:59:32,140 --> 00:59:28,940 imagery in the minds of most people and 1173 00:59:34,839 --> 00:59:32,150 I think that's why again it's created 1174 00:59:37,540 --> 00:59:34,849 this almost like iconic now creature 1175 00:59:40,030 --> 00:59:37,550 because it resonates with everybody in 1176 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:40,040 sort of a you know in a disturbing way 1177 00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:42,410 let's take a break right here Nick and 1178 00:59:46,510 --> 00:59:44,089 we'll just start discussing the book 1179 00:59:48,910 --> 00:59:46,520 when we come back our guest Nick Redfern 1180 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:48,920 this is fade to black I'm your host 1181 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:51,050 Jimmy Church 1182 00:59:57,210 --> 00:59:53,810 you can follow me on twitter @jj radio 1183 01:00:00,850 --> 00:59:57,220 you can also follow Nick at Nick Redfern 1184 01:00:03,340 --> 01:00:00,860 UFO it's right there in Twitter we've 1185 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:03,350 already got it posted fade to black the 1186 01:00:17,170 --> 01:00:07,130 spoke radio for the masses stay with us 1187 01:00:25,069 --> 01:00:17,180 [Music] 1188 01:00:29,069 --> 01:00:27,150 this is fade to black 1189 01:00:32,730 --> 01:00:29,079 with Jimmy Church on the game changer 1190 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:32,740 radio network and K GRA the global radio 1191 01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:37,210 Alliance this is K GRA digital 1192 01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:40,089 broadcasting station Salt Lake City Utah 1193 01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:43,510 Van Buren Arkansas does your basement or 1194 01:00:47,339 --> 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Micah Hanks of the grey lien 1251 01:03:29,660 --> 01:03:27,330 report and you're listening to jimmy 1252 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:29,670 church on fade to black across the globe 1253 01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:31,770 on the GameChanger radio network and the 1254 01:03:50,310 --> 01:03:34,960 one and only kgr a radio the planet 1255 01:03:57,530 --> 01:03:55,390 [Music] 1256 01:03:59,870 --> 01:03:57,540 welcome back fade to black 1257 01:04:02,600 --> 01:03:59,880 I'm your host Jimmy Church follow me on 1258 01:04:07,610 --> 01:04:02,610 Twitter I teach a church radio also go 1259 01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:07,620 find me on on stellar comm Nick Redfern 1260 01:04:12,170 --> 01:04:10,530 Nick Redfern UFO on Twitter for 1261 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:12,180 discussing his book I'm gonna hold it up 1262 01:04:17,420 --> 01:04:14,970 to the cameras here the Slender Man 1263 01:04:19,850 --> 01:04:17,430 mystery is an internet urban legend that 1264 01:04:23,540 --> 01:04:19,860 comes to life it's his latest book and 1265 01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:23,550 Nick what I would like to do is for 1266 01:04:31,550 --> 01:04:27,210 those out there that may not know what 1267 01:04:33,050 --> 01:04:31,560 were the origins of Slenderman well what 1268 01:04:35,450 --> 01:04:33,060 we although as I said you know the were 1269 01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:35,460 these earlier archetypes which you can 1270 01:04:39,860 --> 01:04:36,960 sort of get into but as far as the 1271 01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:39,870 actual Slenderman itself is concerned it 1272 01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:43,200 was created in the summer of 2009 by a 1273 01:04:48,860 --> 01:04:46,290 guy named Eric Knudsen now Eric Knudsen 1274 01:04:51,590 --> 01:04:48,870 was one of many people who took part in 1275 01:04:54,020 --> 01:04:51,600 a contest at the Something Awful 1276 01:04:55,970 --> 01:04:54,030 website to see who could come up with 1277 01:04:58,880 --> 01:04:55,980 sort of the creepiest bogeyman type 1278 01:05:01,250 --> 01:04:58,890 character for the internet era and a lot 1279 01:05:03,890 --> 01:05:01,260 of people you know put together their 1280 01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:03,900 own artwork in images and Photoshop 1281 01:05:07,970 --> 01:05:06,240 pictures and there was no sort of faking 1282 01:05:10,010 --> 01:05:07,980 or hoax think it was just a genuine 1283 01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:10,020 contest you know to see who could come 1284 01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:13,920 up with an entertaining entity and the 1285 01:05:18,860 --> 01:05:16,050 one that really captured just about 1286 01:05:22,220 --> 01:05:18,870 everybody's imagination and attention 1287 01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:22,230 was Eric Knudsen Slender Man and for 1288 01:05:26,810 --> 01:05:23,730 people who may not know the Slender Man 1289 01:05:29,450 --> 01:05:26,820 in the artwork looks about 7 to 9 feet 1290 01:05:32,300 --> 01:05:29,460 tall very skinny wearing a black suit 1291 01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:32,310 not unlike the men in black white shirt 1292 01:05:38,030 --> 01:05:35,730 skinny black tie and as these octopus 1293 01:05:40,130 --> 01:05:38,040 type tentacles coming out of its back 1294 01:05:43,070 --> 01:05:40,140 and its face he's completely blank 1295 01:05:44,990 --> 01:05:43,080 there's no eyes no mouth no nose no he 1296 01:05:49,580 --> 01:05:45,000 is just just like a you know just a 1297 01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:49,590 blank face and Eric Knudsen photoshopped 1298 01:05:52,780 --> 01:05:51,690 a number of pictures where the Slender 1299 01:05:55,010 --> 01:05:52,790 Man was sort of in the background 1300 01:05:58,910 --> 01:05:55,020 lurking where there were these groups of 1301 01:06:01,040 --> 01:05:58,920 kids which sort of created the image 1302 01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:01,050 that the Slender Man was this dangerous 1303 01:06:07,970 --> 01:06:04,530 predatory entity now literally within 1304 01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:07,980 weeks of the Slender Man phenom 1305 01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:11,520 taking off you had chat rooms forums 1306 01:06:19,700 --> 01:06:16,400 online yet a phenomenally successful 1307 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:19,710 show that was broadcast on YouTube 1308 01:06:24,170 --> 01:06:21,690 called Marble Hornets which is a 1309 01:06:27,830 --> 01:06:24,180 fictional show each episode lasted about 1310 01:06:30,220 --> 01:06:27,840 20 minutes or so and it was like a found 1311 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:30,230 footage Blair which type of thing and 1312 01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:33,210 and that had a gigantic following and 1313 01:06:38,359 --> 01:06:36,480 still does and people writing Kindle 1314 01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:38,369 novels and you know their own online 1315 01:06:43,070 --> 01:06:41,280 stories and blogs are being set up and 1316 01:06:45,890 --> 01:06:43,080 it went on like that for a few months 1317 01:06:49,580 --> 01:06:45,900 until something very strange started to 1318 01:06:51,740 --> 01:06:49,590 happen whereas instead of just you know 1319 01:06:54,050 --> 01:06:51,750 reading about the Slender Man online or 1320 01:06:56,090 --> 01:06:54,060 you know looking at the artwork or 1321 01:06:58,640 --> 01:06:56,100 taking part in chat rooms in forums 1322 01:07:00,800 --> 01:06:58,650 painfull started to claim to see the 1323 01:07:02,810 --> 01:07:00,810 Slender Man in the real world like 1324 01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:02,820 lurking in the woods near their homes or 1325 01:07:07,310 --> 01:07:04,770 they'd wake up in the middle of the 1326 01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:07,320 night semi paralyzed and able to move 1327 01:07:13,130 --> 01:07:11,250 and seemed looming over the bed and most 1328 01:07:15,530 --> 01:07:13,140 of these people you know if not all of 1329 01:07:17,420 --> 01:07:15,540 them were absolutely sure that these 1330 01:07:20,810 --> 01:07:17,430 were not bad dreams or anything like 1331 01:07:23,870 --> 01:07:20,820 that but he was really there in front of 1332 01:07:27,740 --> 01:07:23,880 them so this is when things change from 1333 01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:27,750 being just this fictional creation and a 1334 01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:30,690 bit of entertainment to where as we 1335 01:07:35,690 --> 01:07:33,119 mentioned with thought-forms suddenly 1336 01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:35,700 the Slender Man strides out of the world 1337 01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:38,400 of fantasy and right into the heart of 1338 01:07:44,599 --> 01:07:41,520 our reality and he took really only a 1339 01:07:47,060 --> 01:07:44,609 few months to go from you know point A 1340 01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:47,070 to point Z really yeah it went 1341 01:07:56,420 --> 01:07:53,130 completely viral and at that time for 1342 01:07:57,170 --> 01:07:56,430 I've lost one of my channels here hang 1343 01:08:00,500 --> 01:07:57,180 on for a second 1344 01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:00,510 oh no what oh there it is back when at 1345 01:08:07,150 --> 01:08:03,810 that time you had things like Silent 1346 01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:07,160 Hill right the video game Resident Evil 1347 01:08:14,410 --> 01:08:11,130 so there was a lot of imagery that was 1348 01:08:17,420 --> 01:08:14,420 being projected into that culture and 1349 01:08:20,910 --> 01:08:17,430 Slenderman it was like the perfect time 1350 01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:20,920 for that to come along and like saying 1351 01:08:26,459 --> 01:08:23,170 in a couple of months completely viral 1352 01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:26,469 all over the place now you've got the 1353 01:08:32,370 --> 01:08:29,770 the makings of that internet hive mind 1354 01:08:34,260 --> 01:08:32,380 and and the possibility of this 1355 01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:34,270 manifesting itself people are already 1356 01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:37,810 getting freaked out you know like I said 1357 01:08:44,939 --> 01:08:41,199 by Silent Hill and and some of the other 1358 01:08:48,329 --> 01:08:44,949 things that were happening and I I think 1359 01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:48,339 that quite possibly these things that 1360 01:08:54,030 --> 01:08:50,890 they were seeing these were reports of 1361 01:08:57,090 --> 01:08:54,040 real sightings do you think that it was 1362 01:08:58,919 --> 01:08:57,100 the magic of manifesting what what 1363 01:09:02,519 --> 01:08:58,929 everybody's greatest fear was and a 1364 01:09:04,919 --> 01:09:02,529 Pandora's Box being opened yeah I mean I 1365 01:09:06,660 --> 01:09:04,929 think some people you know just became 1366 01:09:08,249 --> 01:09:06,670 obsessed with the phenomenon and could 1367 01:09:10,860 --> 01:09:08,259 not leave it alone and alone and 1368 01:09:13,860 --> 01:09:10,870 psychologically began to disturb them 1369 01:09:15,209 --> 01:09:13,870 but in saying that when you have a lot 1370 01:09:17,130 --> 01:09:15,219 of these people who claim to have seen 1371 01:09:19,650 --> 01:09:17,140 the Slender Man in the real world I 1372 01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:19,660 don't think that's mass hysteria I think 1373 01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:21,130 we are really dealing with a 1374 01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:25,120 thought-form type situation now one of 1375 01:09:31,289 --> 01:09:28,330 the reasons why I think he took off so 1376 01:09:33,900 --> 01:09:31,299 quickly and and became this sort of 1377 01:09:35,939 --> 01:09:33,910 dangerous thought form is because a lot 1378 01:09:38,010 --> 01:09:35,949 of the followers not all of them but a 1379 01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:38,020 lot of them were young kids and 1380 01:09:44,010 --> 01:09:41,250 teenagers now the big difference between 1381 01:09:46,890 --> 01:09:44,020 kids and teenagers today when we were 1382 01:09:48,930 --> 01:09:46,900 kids and teenagers is that we would all 1383 01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:48,940 be always be playing outside you know on 1384 01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:50,560 your bike and your parents are like well 1385 01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:52,210 just make sure you're back when the moon 1386 01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:54,250 sets the moon comes up you know what I 1387 01:09:57,419 --> 01:09:56,050 mean that kind of thing right and you'll 1388 01:10:00,240 --> 01:09:57,429 be riding around on your bike and 1389 01:10:01,979 --> 01:10:00,250 falling off and banging your arms and 1390 01:10:04,169 --> 01:10:01,989 you know whatever and having a good time 1391 01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:04,179 with all your friends a lot of kids 1392 01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:06,370 today unfortunately they've got all the 1393 01:10:11,850 --> 01:10:09,040 advanced technology but they're isolated 1394 01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,860 you know instead of like you know like 1395 01:10:16,500 --> 01:10:13,840 we used to do riding your bikes all 1396 01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:16,510 around town you know five or six of your 1397 01:10:21,630 --> 01:10:19,210 friends and whatever that doesn't go on 1398 01:10:23,610 --> 01:10:21,640 as much anywhere near as much today so 1399 01:10:25,650 --> 01:10:23,620 you have a lot of kids isolated just 1400 01:10:27,570 --> 01:10:25,660 texting the friends and sending 1401 01:10:30,530 --> 01:10:27,580 Slenderman pictures and you can see how 1402 01:10:34,220 --> 01:10:30,540 this isolation almost 1403 01:10:37,550 --> 01:10:34,230 cause that obsession to increase and I 1404 01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:37,560 think that also had a lot to do with 1405 01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:41,040 this and as you said it really did go 1406 01:10:47,450 --> 01:10:43,890 viral to the point where you know it was 1407 01:10:48,020 --> 01:10:47,460 a definitive phenomenon in no time at 1408 01:10:50,300 --> 01:10:48,030 all 1409 01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:50,310 and then when more and more people 1410 01:10:56,510 --> 01:10:53,489 claims have seen it you had more and 1411 01:10:58,820 --> 01:10:56,520 more stories about hey this guy saw this 1412 01:11:01,160 --> 01:10:58,830 this woman saw that this girl saw this 1413 01:11:05,020 --> 01:11:01,170 and so there was almost an expectation 1414 01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:05,030 of seeing it as well that people 1415 01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:07,650 expected now to see it in the real world 1416 01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:10,650 and that I think only amplified the 1417 01:11:15,979 --> 01:11:13,140 belief systems even more so it was kind 1418 01:11:17,150 --> 01:11:15,989 of like you know a stone rolling down 1419 01:11:20,570 --> 01:11:17,160 the hill he was just getting more and 1420 01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:20,580 more momentum you know by the minute how 1421 01:11:31,370 --> 01:11:26,400 did you collect these encounters for the 1422 01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:31,380 book well I mean part of the process was 1423 01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:33,360 I mean obviously you know when there was 1424 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:35,130 a lot of news stories about the Slender 1425 01:11:42,050 --> 01:11:38,010 Man was just to just to do a lot of 1426 01:11:44,990 --> 01:11:42,060 online research and also you know into 1427 01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:45,000 magazines and newspapers and and 1428 01:11:51,620 --> 01:11:49,040 speaking to people who'd also previously 1429 01:11:54,290 --> 01:11:51,630 looked into the Slender Man phenomenon 1430 01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:54,300 when he began back in 2009 I interviewed 1431 01:11:58,880 --> 01:11:56,130 I think there's probably 20 people in 1432 01:12:01,520 --> 01:11:58,890 the book I interviewed altogether giving 1433 01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:01,530 their views as well on you know witness 1434 01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:04,970 reports how this could happen etc etc 1435 01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:08,970 and I wrote it also a few blog posts and 1436 01:12:14,750 --> 01:12:12,239 articles and that provided feedback as 1437 01:12:16,670 --> 01:12:14,760 well you know when you go to conferences 1438 01:12:19,130 --> 01:12:16,680 and lecture and you talk about things 1439 01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:19,140 like this tape we never tably come up to 1440 01:12:23,180 --> 01:12:21,090 you and share stories which is a good 1441 01:12:26,270 --> 01:12:23,190 thing so it was kind of like a 1442 01:12:28,850 --> 01:12:26,280 combination of all this together really 1443 01:12:33,170 --> 01:12:28,860 sort of and then waving the story into 1444 01:12:35,690 --> 01:12:33,180 one big saga I guess when was the were 1445 01:12:41,450 --> 01:12:35,700 you able to determine the first 1446 01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:41,460 Slenderman report you mean when when 1447 01:12:49,310 --> 01:12:45,050 people claim to scene in reality yeah in 1448 01:12:51,319 --> 01:12:49,320 well I cannot tell you the the exact 1449 01:12:54,259 --> 01:12:51,329 first one Jimmy but what I can tell you 1450 01:12:58,700 --> 01:12:54,269 for sure is that people were definitely 1451 01:13:00,350 --> 01:12:58,710 putting stories online in 2009 and 1452 01:13:02,779 --> 01:13:00,360 talking about in some of the chat rooms 1453 01:13:05,299 --> 01:13:02,789 how they said I remember one of the 1454 01:13:07,790 --> 01:13:05,309 early ones in 2009 when a girl said that 1455 01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:07,800 she saw us in the bedroom and he didn't 1456 01:13:12,649 --> 01:13:10,320 seem like a normal dream she was like 1457 01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:12,659 semi awake and could see the Slenderman 1458 01:13:17,209 --> 01:13:15,360 and she said it was you know totally 1459 01:13:19,819 --> 01:13:17,219 unlike a normal dream and that actually 1460 01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:19,829 provoked I think something like 27 28 1461 01:13:25,250 --> 01:13:22,800 comments something like that 1462 01:13:26,660 --> 01:13:25,260 from people who were sort of fascinated 1463 01:13:28,759 --> 01:13:26,670 by this and one or two of that 1464 01:13:31,250 --> 01:13:28,769 twenty-eight had had very similar 1465 01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:31,260 experiences as well so he'd started to 1466 01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:33,510 sort of creep out you know they said the 1467 01:13:39,140 --> 01:13:35,760 whole thing began in the summer of 2009 1468 01:13:42,649 --> 01:13:39,150 it started to creep out sort of look 1469 01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:42,659 towards the latter part of 2009 there 1470 01:13:46,489 --> 01:13:44,159 that could have been early ones in the 1471 01:13:49,489 --> 01:13:46,499 book I talk about some earlier ones 1472 01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:49,499 which were clearly almost identical to 1473 01:13:54,379 --> 01:13:51,449 the Slender Man but from other countries 1474 01:13:57,410 --> 01:13:54,389 which you know know the term Slender Man 1475 01:13:59,719 --> 01:13:57,420 didn't even exist for them back then but 1476 01:14:02,810 --> 01:13:59,729 under that in in terms of the Slender 1477 01:14:05,689 --> 01:14:02,820 Man itself it's it's there's no doubt 1478 01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:05,699 that it was sort of like 2009 when he 1479 01:14:12,489 --> 01:14:08,130 went from being just you know a a 1480 01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:12,499 creature and a contest to something more 1481 01:14:23,950 --> 01:14:18,690 you write about this encounter in 1898 1482 01:14:27,259 --> 01:14:23,960 and when I read through that it felt 1483 01:14:32,209 --> 01:14:27,269 yeah it felt that's exactly what people 1484 01:14:35,450 --> 01:14:32,219 are seeing today is could they be seeing 1485 01:14:38,660 --> 01:14:35,460 the manifestation of Slenderman today I 1486 01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:38,670 keep saying manifestation as if he's 1487 01:14:44,930 --> 01:14:40,650 real why I kind of believe that he is 1488 01:14:47,089 --> 01:14:44,940 but in that how do i I want to say that 1489 01:14:50,450 --> 01:14:47,099 it's everything is as real as you want 1490 01:14:52,580 --> 01:14:50,460 to make it right so but if we go back to 1491 01:14:55,100 --> 01:14:52,590 the story in 1898 is there the 1492 01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:55,110 possibility that the Slender Man of 1493 01:15:01,310 --> 01:14:57,570 today has been 1494 01:15:04,970 --> 01:15:01,320 around forever and we've just caused him 1495 01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:04,980 to come back and surface yeah I mean 1496 01:15:09,709 --> 01:15:07,050 that's a good point because throughout 1497 01:15:12,350 --> 01:15:09,719 many cultures you can find things which 1498 01:15:15,649 --> 01:15:12,360 are almost identical for example in 1499 01:15:18,890 --> 01:15:15,659 Native American law you have a creature 1500 01:15:22,100 --> 01:15:18,900 known as walking Sam and walking Sam is 1501 01:15:25,129 --> 01:15:22,110 like an 8 foot tall skinny figure wears 1502 01:15:27,290 --> 01:15:25,139 dark clothes and he wears like like a 1503 01:15:32,450 --> 01:15:27,300 top hat like you know one of the old 1504 01:15:34,970 --> 01:15:32,460 style perhaps from centuries ago and in 1505 01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:34,980 a number of Native American reservations 1506 01:15:40,729 --> 01:15:38,400 just a few years ago a number of kids on 1507 01:15:43,790 --> 01:15:40,739 the reservations killed themselves in 1508 01:15:46,970 --> 01:15:43,800 the name of walking Sam now you can go 1509 01:15:49,490 --> 01:15:46,980 back into Germany long long time ago and 1510 01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:49,500 find their equivalent of the Slenderman 1511 01:15:55,129 --> 01:15:52,250 which was known as der Grossmann and 1512 01:15:58,010 --> 01:15:55,139 undergrowth mammal has been incorporated 1513 01:16:01,760 --> 01:15:58,020 today into sort of the Slenderman mythos 1514 01:16:05,930 --> 01:16:01,770 so to speak and then probably the most 1515 01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:05,940 famous example would be the the old kids 1516 01:16:13,220 --> 01:16:10,170 folklore fairy tale of the Pied Piper of 1517 01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:13,230 Hamelin which actually you know people 1518 01:16:17,839 --> 01:16:15,840 said was just a story but you often find 1519 01:16:20,060 --> 01:16:17,849 a lot of these folk tales and fairy 1520 01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:20,070 tales you know based on some sort of 1521 01:16:26,540 --> 01:16:22,770 reality but the the Pied Piper of 1522 01:16:29,330 --> 01:16:26,550 Hamelin Hamlin's a small town in Germany 1523 01:16:32,359 --> 01:16:29,340 and we don't really know how far back 1524 01:16:35,300 --> 01:16:32,369 the story goes but at least 500 years 1525 01:16:38,330 --> 01:16:35,310 and the story is that one day this 1526 01:16:41,899 --> 01:16:38,340 strange tall skinny character came into 1527 01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:41,909 the town and offered to help the the 1528 01:16:45,890 --> 01:16:43,679 people of Hamelin to get rid of the 1529 01:16:49,790 --> 01:16:45,900 infestation of rats which had taken over 1530 01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:49,800 the town so the piper takes out this 1531 01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:51,690 pipe and starts to plate it's like a 1532 01:16:56,959 --> 01:16:55,290 supernatural flute and it's hypnotized 1533 01:16:59,240 --> 01:16:56,969 all the rats to follow him out of town 1534 01:17:02,060 --> 01:16:59,250 and they all drown in the local river so 1535 01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:02,070 there's no more of a rat infestation the 1536 01:17:07,970 --> 01:17:04,530 the local mayor refuses to pay the piper 1537 01:17:09,919 --> 01:17:07,980 the money that he promised to pay so one 1538 01:17:11,020 --> 01:17:09,929 day the piper decides to get his own 1539 01:17:12,970 --> 01:17:11,030 back and when 1540 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:12,980 all the parents and the adults in the 1541 01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:14,690 local church the kids are playing 1542 01:17:18,819 --> 01:17:16,489 outside and he starts playing the flute 1543 01:17:22,089 --> 01:17:18,829 and he hypnotizes all the kids in the 1544 01:17:24,970 --> 01:17:22,099 town to follow him and he reportedly 1545 01:17:27,370 --> 01:17:24,980 takes the kids through this portal in 1546 01:17:28,959 --> 01:17:27,380 the woods and into the mountain the 1547 01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:28,969 nearby mountain literally into it 1548 01:17:34,029 --> 01:17:31,280 through a portal so what you have here 1549 01:17:36,879 --> 01:17:34,039 is something almost identical to the 1550 01:17:39,729 --> 01:17:36,889 Slenderman a tall skinny weird-looking 1551 01:17:42,370 --> 01:17:39,739 character who takes over the minds of 1552 01:17:44,919 --> 01:17:42,380 children lures them into the woods and 1553 01:17:47,319 --> 01:17:44,929 then takes them into a portal into its 1554 01:17:50,700 --> 01:17:47,329 own world you know that though all of 1555 01:17:53,229 --> 01:17:50,710 those angles turn up in the Slenderman 1556 01:17:56,830 --> 01:17:53,239 phenomenon and I think when you tie that 1557 01:17:58,689 --> 01:17:56,840 with the German legends The Walking Sam 1558 01:18:00,939 --> 01:17:58,699 one from Native American lore you put 1559 01:18:02,740 --> 01:18:00,949 all these together and many others and I 1560 01:18:06,010 --> 01:18:02,750 think we are dealing with an ancient 1561 01:18:08,950 --> 01:18:06,020 archetype which over the centuries has 1562 01:18:10,839 --> 01:18:08,960 been identified in different ways and 1563 01:18:13,209 --> 01:18:10,849 with different names and I think with 1564 01:18:16,990 --> 01:18:13,219 Eric Knudsen yes he created the Slender 1565 01:18:19,299 --> 01:18:17,000 Man in the 21st century but I sometimes 1566 01:18:21,490 --> 01:18:19,309 wonder if possibly you know deep in the 1567 01:18:24,100 --> 01:18:21,500 subconscious of all of us there is this 1568 01:18:27,609 --> 01:18:24,110 image of this creepy character and that 1569 01:18:30,189 --> 01:18:27,619 now and again somebody will create a new 1570 01:18:31,660 --> 01:18:30,199 version of it thinking that they're the 1571 01:18:33,819 --> 01:18:31,670 one who created it but they're just 1572 01:18:36,129 --> 01:18:33,829 ripping it out of the depths of their 1573 01:18:39,819 --> 01:18:36,139 subconscious really and what about the 1574 01:18:42,010 --> 01:18:39,829 barber dude well yeah I mean that's 1575 01:18:44,890 --> 01:18:42,020 that's another example of a perfect 1576 01:18:47,919 --> 01:18:44,900 example you know you've got again sort 1577 01:18:49,779 --> 01:18:47,929 of like a predatory dangerous figure 1578 01:18:52,689 --> 01:18:49,789 I mean you well it's the babadook 1579 01:18:54,580 --> 01:18:52,699 Slender Man walking some the men in 1580 01:18:57,129 --> 01:18:54,590 black the black-eyed children-- the 1581 01:18:59,919 --> 01:18:57,139 shadow people you know all of these 1582 01:19:02,649 --> 01:18:59,929 things are extremely similar you know 1583 01:19:04,779 --> 01:19:02,659 and they invade our dreams and they 1584 01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:04,789 they're sort of seen as like a bogeyman 1585 01:19:10,629 --> 01:19:07,510 type character they're all threatening 1586 01:19:12,819 --> 01:19:10,639 intimidating you know they often turn up 1587 01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:12,829 in the middle of the night and and 1588 01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:17,449 terrorize people and and I think you can 1589 01:19:21,399 --> 01:19:19,010 even make the case perhaps some of these 1590 01:19:22,870 --> 01:19:21,409 things are almost like shapeshifters you 1591 01:19:24,879 --> 01:19:22,880 know they take on different forms 1592 01:19:27,609 --> 01:19:24,889 depending on the culture 1593 01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:27,619 and the era and the beliefs of the paint 1594 01:19:34,419 --> 01:19:30,050 love that relevant period and then you 1595 01:19:37,090 --> 01:19:34,429 have Rita used to tell me over the years 1596 01:19:46,450 --> 01:19:37,100 going way back before slender land our 1597 01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:46,460 Slender Man slender land slender man the 1598 01:19:53,169 --> 01:19:49,250 Baba Yaga have you read about the Baba 1599 01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:53,179 Yaga I don't think so okay there's your 1600 01:19:58,359 --> 01:19:57,130 next book the Baba Yaga which this is 1601 01:20:01,750 --> 01:19:58,369 Russian 1602 01:20:03,820 --> 01:20:01,760 you know it's same you know same 1603 01:20:08,500 --> 01:20:03,830 elements you know going back hundreds of 1604 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:08,510 years and Rita used to tell me about how 1605 01:20:15,820 --> 01:20:13,010 it's scared and terrified she would be 1606 01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:15,830 that everybody had their you know their 1607 01:20:19,300 --> 01:20:17,449 way of telling the story you know 1608 01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:19,310 there's books and so forth in Russia 1609 01:20:27,459 --> 01:20:23,570 about the Baba Yaga but all of the 1610 01:20:30,189 --> 01:20:27,469 elements are in play right and it's it's 1611 01:20:33,580 --> 01:20:30,199 it's really really really funny and but 1612 01:20:36,879 --> 01:20:33,590 used to teach lessons but also scare the 1613 01:20:38,350 --> 01:20:36,889 crap out of the kids well yeah and I 1614 01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:38,360 think you know that that's one of the 1615 01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:40,730 inadvertent parts a lot of people forget 1616 01:20:46,300 --> 01:20:43,130 that's a lot of these folk tales and 1617 01:20:48,729 --> 01:20:46,310 fairy tales were designed to you know to 1618 01:20:50,919 --> 01:20:48,739 frighten kids as a means to stop them 1619 01:20:52,359 --> 01:20:50,929 wandering off you know five hundred 1620 01:20:54,430 --> 01:20:52,369 years ago into the woods and they're 1621 01:20:56,020 --> 01:20:54,440 never seen again and I think what's 1622 01:21:00,070 --> 01:20:56,030 happened you know a lot of those old 1623 01:21:02,109 --> 01:21:00,080 stories you know they paid kids 1624 01:21:03,790 --> 01:21:02,119 imaginations particularly you know when 1625 01:21:06,129 --> 01:21:03,800 your imagination is really firing up 1626 01:21:07,959 --> 01:21:06,139 when you're sort of four or five kids 1627 01:21:09,669 --> 01:21:07,969 remember that kind of thing when they 1628 01:21:11,620 --> 01:21:09,679 when they're told it is kids and they 1629 01:21:13,810 --> 01:21:11,630 believe it's you know it's like this 1630 01:21:16,270 --> 01:21:13,820 sense of wonder which we kind of lose a 1631 01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:16,280 little bit as we get older so I think 1632 01:21:22,649 --> 01:21:19,010 you know the strength of these fairy 1633 01:21:25,209 --> 01:21:22,659 tales and folk tales again kind of 1634 01:21:27,310 --> 01:21:25,219 provokes a sense that this isn't just a 1635 01:21:30,220 --> 01:21:27,320 story that there's a reality to it and 1636 01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:30,230 then and then again you you then on the 1637 01:21:35,609 --> 01:21:32,530 verge of that dangerous territory of 1638 01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:35,619 creating a thought-form which becomes 1639 01:21:40,990 --> 01:21:37,290 independence and start 1640 01:21:43,850 --> 01:21:41,000 to roll around in the real world now 1641 01:21:46,130 --> 01:21:43,860 going back to the book and we're gonna 1642 01:21:49,340 --> 01:21:46,140 head towards a break here in just a 1643 01:21:53,300 --> 01:21:49,350 second is through your interviews in 1644 01:21:56,480 --> 01:21:53,310 your research geographically was 1645 01:22:00,160 --> 01:21:56,490 Slenderman centered around certain 1646 01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:00,170 cities certain states certain countries 1647 01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:04,080 um that's that's a good question it's 1648 01:22:08,330 --> 01:22:06,090 actually quite difficult to say because 1649 01:22:10,850 --> 01:22:08,340 you know when this when the whole thing 1650 01:22:12,860 --> 01:22:10,860 kicked off you know it was an American 1651 01:22:15,710 --> 01:22:12,870 phenomenon you know he was created in 1652 01:22:22,100 --> 01:22:15,720 America and in the English language as 1653 01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:22,110 well so I think you know the the I guess 1654 01:22:25,730 --> 01:22:23,010 if you're looking from the perspective 1655 01:22:27,650 --> 01:22:25,740 of common sense you know the English 1656 01:22:30,770 --> 01:22:27,660 speaking language part of the world 1657 01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:30,780 again a pick up on it first but I mean 1658 01:22:36,020 --> 01:22:32,970 I've got reports which I talked about in 1659 01:22:41,540 --> 01:22:36,030 the book from New Zealand from the UK 1660 01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:41,550 from the u.s. from Germany I've actually 1661 01:22:46,670 --> 01:22:43,770 got one which has come since the book 1662 01:22:50,090 --> 01:22:46,680 was published from Puerto Rico so you 1663 01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:50,100 know again I think it's a case of not so 1664 01:22:55,310 --> 01:22:52,800 much whether or not the phenomena is 1665 01:22:57,440 --> 01:22:55,320 growing elsewhere it's just the extent 1666 01:22:59,450 --> 01:22:57,450 to which people you know who's picking 1667 01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:59,460 it up first you know but really 1668 01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:01,440 certainly spreading there's no doubt 1669 01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:03,510 about that and of course in just a 1670 01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:06,690 couple of months there's a major movie 1671 01:23:11,540 --> 01:23:09,330 cinema movie coming out on the 1672 01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:11,550 Slenderman so you know I'll be 1673 01:23:16,820 --> 01:23:13,410 interesting to see if that sort of 1674 01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:16,830 impacts on on sightings as well should 1675 01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:23,250 we be afraid well we shouldn't be afraid 1676 01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:25,920 because I think that just sort of plays 1677 01:23:30,350 --> 01:23:28,170 into it even further 1678 01:23:33,460 --> 01:23:30,360 you know these high states of emotion 1679 01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:33,470 and believing in these things only 1680 01:23:39,890 --> 01:23:36,810 increases their ability to operate in 1681 01:23:42,590 --> 01:23:39,900 our world but I guess but particularly 1682 01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:42,600 for you know kids and so on it's hard 1683 01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:44,850 it's you know it's hard for them not to 1684 01:23:48,050 --> 01:23:46,890 be frightened of it you know it's kind 1685 01:23:50,060 --> 01:23:48,060 of like they read all these stories 1686 01:23:53,300 --> 01:23:50,070 about this dangerous 1687 01:23:54,830 --> 01:23:53,310 and to see the Slenderman then they're 1688 01:23:56,690 --> 01:23:54,840 never going to be able to think of it as 1689 01:23:59,180 --> 01:23:56,700 like a friendly creature there's just no 1690 01:24:02,090 --> 01:23:59,190 way to do that and of course you know 1691 01:24:04,340 --> 01:24:02,100 telling them won't don't think about it 1692 01:24:06,590 --> 01:24:04,350 you know that that just doesn't work you 1693 01:24:08,510 --> 01:24:06,600 cannot say to someone stop thinking 1694 01:24:09,890 --> 01:24:08,520 about the Slenderman because you say 1695 01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:09,900 that we'll the first thing someone's 1696 01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:12,090 gonna think about is the Slenderman it's 1697 01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:14,400 almost impossible to stop thinking about 1698 01:24:19,730 --> 01:24:16,800 it and that's one of the problems is 1699 01:24:22,610 --> 01:24:19,740 that it's in people's minds all the time 1700 01:24:25,700 --> 01:24:22,620 and and a lot of it is driven by fear 1701 01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:25,710 and that's why it's constantly there so 1702 01:24:29,870 --> 01:24:28,170 we shouldn't be frightened of it but I 1703 01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:29,880 can understand why a lot of faiths have 1704 01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:32,490 been sucked into it are frightened by it 1705 01:24:40,580 --> 01:24:36,930 well okay so we shouldn't be afraid but 1706 01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:40,590 what about concerned should we be 1707 01:24:45,650 --> 01:24:43,050 concerned yeah well we should be 1708 01:24:50,570 --> 01:24:45,660 concerned I mean probably the primary 1709 01:24:53,690 --> 01:24:50,580 reason being how many attacks and in one 1710 01:24:56,930 --> 01:24:53,700 case of fatal attack there have been on 1711 01:25:00,500 --> 01:24:56,940 people undertaken either in the name of 1712 01:25:02,480 --> 01:25:00,510 the Slenderman or by people who were by 1713 01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:02,490 their own admittance obsessed by the 1714 01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:05,850 Slenderman so I think you know we have 1715 01:25:10,010 --> 01:25:07,920 the paranormal angle the thought-form 1716 01:25:12,890 --> 01:25:10,020 angle but we also have people who've 1717 01:25:15,050 --> 01:25:12,900 descended into states of mind where 1718 01:25:17,870 --> 01:25:15,060 they've totally blurred the lines 1719 01:25:20,210 --> 01:25:17,880 between reality and fiction and cannot 1720 01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:20,220 distinguish between the two and they've 1721 01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:22,850 gone on basically you know sort of 1722 01:25:28,550 --> 01:25:24,810 rampages that's the only way to describe 1723 01:25:32,060 --> 01:25:28,560 it so we should be concerned about how 1724 01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:32,070 vulnerable people can be you know and 1725 01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:35,040 can be sucked into the just a 1726 01:25:39,740 --> 01:25:37,290 psychological sight never mind just the 1727 01:25:43,700 --> 01:25:39,750 paranormal angle yeah well if somebody's 1728 01:25:45,380 --> 01:25:43,710 going to get obsessed on something then 1729 01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:45,390 they're gonna get obsessed it doesn't 1730 01:25:49,370 --> 01:25:47,010 matter if it's Slenderman or if it's 1731 01:25:52,370 --> 01:25:49,380 oranges right it just doesn't matter 1732 01:25:55,010 --> 01:25:52,380 they're they're susceptible to that but 1733 01:25:59,300 --> 01:25:55,020 there's the other part of Slenderman 1734 01:26:03,650 --> 01:25:59,310 which is an obsession with an addiction 1735 01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:03,660 that can't be helped right and they just 1736 01:26:09,470 --> 01:26:06,800 want to continue forward into it and 1737 01:26:11,150 --> 01:26:09,480 that is where I think we should be 1738 01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:11,160 concerned because there's something like 1739 01:26:19,310 --> 01:26:15,690 is activated in our DNA that causes like 1740 01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:19,320 what happened in Wisconsin yeah well I 1741 01:26:24,410 --> 01:26:21,570 mean in a strange way it's almost like 1742 01:26:26,690 --> 01:26:24,420 what's known as Stockholm Syndrome which 1743 01:26:28,940 --> 01:26:26,700 is this situation where if somebody's 1744 01:26:32,480 --> 01:26:28,950 kidnapped and they're held long enough 1745 01:26:35,180 --> 01:26:32,490 by the kidnappers they start to resonate 1746 01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:35,190 with and gravitate to the kidnappers 1747 01:26:39,230 --> 01:26:36,930 they sort of develop an affinity with 1748 01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:39,240 them even though they he kidnapped them 1749 01:26:43,790 --> 01:26:41,810 and it's a very strange phenomenon 1750 01:26:45,860 --> 01:26:43,800 Stockholm Syndrome but that's what 1751 01:26:47,480 --> 01:26:45,870 happens and there's no doubt that's 1752 01:26:49,700 --> 01:26:47,490 happening with some people with the 1753 01:26:54,410 --> 01:26:49,710 Slenderman that they're terrified by it 1754 01:26:56,780 --> 01:26:54,420 but they fail also drawn towards it as 1755 01:26:59,810 --> 01:26:56,790 well and the more drawn towards if they 1756 01:27:02,060 --> 01:26:59,820 fail the greatest sort of an affinity 1757 01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:02,070 they have with it and they feel that 1758 01:27:07,820 --> 01:27:05,250 it's you know it's something that 1759 01:27:10,580 --> 01:27:07,830 relates to them as well and which is 1760 01:27:14,150 --> 01:27:10,590 again like a dangerous angle where they 1761 01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:14,160 get closer to the Slenderman and fail 1762 01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:16,410 that's he's the only one who understands 1763 01:27:20,690 --> 01:27:18,000 them that kind of thing you know and 1764 01:27:24,140 --> 01:27:20,700 that's when you really sort of cross the 1765 01:27:29,180 --> 01:27:24,150 line I guess yeah I would i I did that 1766 01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:29,190 with creepypasta and I would know two 1767 01:27:35,540 --> 01:27:32,490 minutes into the story if I was going to 1768 01:27:37,550 --> 01:27:35,550 get hooked right and then and then I 1769 01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:37,560 would go out and get to get into another 1770 01:27:45,370 --> 01:27:40,530 story but the point is I was elevating 1771 01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:45,380 the fear right you know you gotta get 1772 01:27:51,230 --> 01:27:48,330 the the way that these modern writers 1773 01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:51,240 are creating this stuff some of it is 1774 01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:54,930 really really scary and you just you 1775 01:28:00,230 --> 01:27:57,360 know your expectations and you're trying 1776 01:28:01,970 --> 01:28:00,240 to get that adrenaline rush back and so 1777 01:28:03,530 --> 01:28:01,980 you have to push it forward and push it 1778 01:28:05,780 --> 01:28:03,540 forward and I think that's where the 1779 01:28:09,470 --> 01:28:05,790 danger is certainly when it comes to 1780 01:28:11,570 --> 01:28:09,480 Slenderman yeah you're right I mean you 1781 01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:11,580 think about you put all those issues 1782 01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:13,890 we've spoken about so far together all 1783 01:28:20,290 --> 01:28:17,280 into one sort of mix bag so to speak 1784 01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:20,300 then you can realize and understand how 1785 01:28:26,510 --> 01:28:23,610 something has happened that we've never 1786 01:28:29,060 --> 01:28:26,520 really experienced in history before you 1787 01:28:32,540 --> 01:28:29,070 know with all the angles of the online 1788 01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:32,550 presence the movies you know the Marble 1789 01:28:36,350 --> 01:28:33,410 Hornets 1790 01:28:40,130 --> 01:28:36,360 you know just about everything you put 1791 01:28:41,660 --> 01:28:40,140 it all together and we've got we're in 1792 01:28:45,590 --> 01:28:41,670 sort of a two-degree we've sort of like 1793 01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:45,600 uncharted waters in terms of trying to 1794 01:28:51,890 --> 01:28:49,440 figure out how far this phenomenon which 1795 01:28:54,290 --> 01:28:51,900 began is just a fictional event you know 1796 01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:54,300 how far is it actually gonna go you know 1797 01:29:02,090 --> 01:28:59,040 yeah I remember on the Something Awful 1798 01:29:04,610 --> 01:29:02,100 forum and you start to look at some of 1799 01:29:09,020 --> 01:29:04,620 this Photoshop work you know what people 1800 01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:09,030 considered scary very talented right and 1801 01:29:12,530 --> 01:29:10,650 you sit and you're looking at these 1802 01:29:15,290 --> 01:29:12,540 illustrations and you're like man where 1803 01:29:17,810 --> 01:29:15,300 is this coming from it's really good 1804 01:29:21,500 --> 01:29:17,820 it's it's amazing but it's got that 1805 01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:21,510 modern element of terror to it and I 1806 01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:24,480 could understand where this would start 1807 01:29:28,550 --> 01:29:26,370 to manifest because you get drawn into 1808 01:29:30,440 --> 01:29:28,560 these images you start staring at them 1809 01:29:33,860 --> 01:29:30,450 and they're they're burned into your 1810 01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:33,870 your eyeballs yeah you're right and 1811 01:29:39,230 --> 01:29:37,290 again as I said the most intriguing but 1812 01:29:41,570 --> 01:29:39,240 also disturbing aspects of this is that 1813 01:29:43,730 --> 01:29:41,580 you don't find this with you know 1814 01:29:45,770 --> 01:29:43,740 pictures and stories on the internet 1815 01:29:47,300 --> 01:29:45,780 about the man in black or the black-eyed 1816 01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:47,310 children-- you know those stories are 1817 01:29:51,860 --> 01:29:49,530 all there right but it doesn't grip 1818 01:29:54,140 --> 01:29:51,870 people though they don't grip people in 1819 01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:54,150 the same way that the Slenderman does 1820 01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:56,250 and that that's what makes it almost 1821 01:30:01,190 --> 01:29:59,280 unique but in a bad way in a disturbing 1822 01:30:03,650 --> 01:30:01,200 way that there are no other fictional 1823 01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:03,660 entities really that have been sort of 1824 01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:06,330 semi brought to life if you like that 1825 01:30:11,540 --> 01:30:09,930 have the impact and the effect that the 1826 01:30:14,510 --> 01:30:11,550 Slender Man does and we still don't 1827 01:30:16,190 --> 01:30:14,520 really know why does with the Slender 1828 01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:16,200 Man and white doesn't with the shadow 1829 01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:17,970 people white doesn't be the black-eyed 1830 01:30:24,980 --> 01:30:22,410 kids you know so so there's something 1831 01:30:26,060 --> 01:30:24,990 going on that he's really you know kind 1832 01:30:33,330 --> 01:30:26,070 of 1833 01:30:35,220 --> 01:30:33,340 driving them to this phenomenon more and 1834 01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:35,230 more let's take a break right here I 1835 01:30:41,070 --> 01:30:38,050 want you to consider what you just said 1836 01:30:43,010 --> 01:30:41,080 because I want to continue that thought 1837 01:30:46,169 --> 01:30:43,020 right after the break our guest tonight 1838 01:30:48,630 --> 01:30:46,179 Nick Redfern the book the Slender Man 1839 01:30:55,260 --> 01:30:48,640 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01:34:52,539 fade to black I am your host Jimmy 1911 01:34:57,209 --> 01:34:54,689 Church our guest tonight Nick Redfern 1912 01:34:59,639 --> 01:34:57,219 talking about his new book the 1913 01:35:02,239 --> 01:34:59,649 Slenderman mysteries and Internet urban 1914 01:35:05,250 --> 01:35:02,249 legend comes to life 1915 01:35:07,799 --> 01:35:05,260 follow me on Twitter I J Trudeau you can 1916 01:35:10,199 --> 01:35:07,809 follow Nick at Nick Redfern UFO on 1917 01:35:14,879 --> 01:35:10,209 Twitter now Nick right before the break 1918 01:35:19,580 --> 01:35:14,889 we were talking about what could be the 1919 01:35:23,759 --> 01:35:19,590 trigger what is it that is causing this 1920 01:35:27,239 --> 01:35:23,769 this addiction to Slenderman 1921 01:35:29,009 --> 01:35:27,249 and I mean could something it could it 1922 01:35:31,500 --> 01:35:29,019 be our DNA could it be something that is 1923 01:35:34,009 --> 01:35:31,510 just waiting to be you know ignited 1924 01:35:37,049 --> 01:35:34,019 inside of our brain some chemical and 1925 01:35:40,979 --> 01:35:37,059 the Slenderman story is just the right 1926 01:35:44,939 --> 01:35:40,989 that you know the right recipe to kick 1927 01:35:46,830 --> 01:35:44,949 this off where people cannot resist well 1928 01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:46,840 I think part of it at least just come 1929 01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:48,159 for what we mentioned early you know 1930 01:35:53,879 --> 01:35:51,760 that kind of fun fear that people have 1931 01:35:55,949 --> 01:35:53,889 you know when like like I said like 1932 01:36:00,810 --> 01:35:55,959 rollercoasters you know watching a 1933 01:36:02,879 --> 01:36:00,820 horror movie you know you you jump at 1934 01:36:05,870 --> 01:36:02,889 the you know the scary points and then 1935 01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:05,880 you laugh because it's like a safe 1936 01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:10,090 danger so to speak and I think a lot of 1937 01:36:15,689 --> 01:36:13,360 people kind of got into it excited by 1938 01:36:19,469 --> 01:36:15,699 this creepy character and the stories 1939 01:36:23,459 --> 01:36:19,479 but they then found themselves sucked 1940 01:36:25,649 --> 01:36:23,469 into it even more so I think you know in 1941 01:36:31,529 --> 01:36:25,659 terms of this in terms of this whole 1942 01:36:33,359 --> 01:36:31,539 angle of how it's gone like that you 1943 01:36:35,819 --> 01:36:33,369 know that that's certainly part of it 1944 01:36:37,529 --> 01:36:35,829 but I think also you know when you're 1945 01:36:39,750 --> 01:36:37,539 talking about people becoming obsessed 1946 01:36:40,949 --> 01:36:39,760 and so on I think there's there's more 1947 01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:40,959 to it than that 1948 01:36:45,330 --> 01:36:42,610 it's sort of I wouldn't even say it's 1949 01:36:48,330 --> 01:36:45,340 like a subtle it's almost without 1950 01:36:51,629 --> 01:36:48,340 knowing that people do get dragged into 1951 01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:51,639 this further and when he starts to take 1952 01:36:55,500 --> 01:36:53,679 over their lives as he has in some 1953 01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:55,510 people in people's lives where they felt 1954 01:37:01,140 --> 01:36:56,410 dictate it 1955 01:37:04,020 --> 01:37:01,150 by the slenderman's the phenomenon so I 1956 01:37:07,110 --> 01:37:04,030 think I think a lot of it is based 1957 01:37:10,590 --> 01:37:07,120 around the you know the mindset of the 1958 01:37:14,130 --> 01:37:10,600 person you know that that's going to 1959 01:37:15,900 --> 01:37:14,140 have regardless of how involved the 1960 01:37:17,940 --> 01:37:15,910 person is or isn't in the slender and 1961 01:37:20,700 --> 01:37:17,950 phenomenon when they do get involved in 1962 01:37:24,060 --> 01:37:20,710 it if their mind is one that's easily 1963 01:37:25,710 --> 01:37:24,070 sort of manipulated they're sort of weak 1964 01:37:28,530 --> 01:37:25,720 willed or they're looking for some 1965 01:37:30,660 --> 01:37:28,540 excitement in their life you know in a 1966 01:37:32,310 --> 01:37:30,670 worse case possible you know that's when 1967 01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:32,320 the Slender Man kind of wins you know 1968 01:37:41,580 --> 01:37:37,530 well we have the much-publicized 1969 01:37:45,210 --> 01:37:41,590 2014 incident in markeesha Wisconsin 1970 01:37:48,230 --> 01:37:45,220 that that grabbed everybody because 1971 01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:48,240 you've got two 12 year old girls luring 1972 01:37:56,460 --> 01:37:50,890 somebody else from the neighborhood they 1973 01:37:58,770 --> 01:37:56,470 need to make a slender man happy all 1974 01:38:01,350 --> 01:37:58,780 right and and I don't know how many 1975 01:38:03,570 --> 01:38:01,360 times they stabbed or I think both both 1976 01:38:06,810 --> 01:38:03,580 of the girls were just aren't they 1977 01:38:08,250 --> 01:38:06,820 they're like in mental institutions now 1978 01:38:11,070 --> 01:38:08,260 right they've been hospitalized they 1979 01:38:14,220 --> 01:38:11,080 they work weren't sent to prison but I 1980 01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:14,230 mean for a very long time I thirty years 1981 01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:16,570 each or something I if I if I remember 1982 01:38:22,500 --> 01:38:19,330 correctly but that's what that's what 1983 01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:22,510 grabbed the headlines but right after 1984 01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:25,690 that a month later in Ohio there's 1985 01:38:32,490 --> 01:38:29,890 another case they're just as as tragic 1986 01:38:34,530 --> 01:38:32,500 as what happened in markeesha but that 1987 01:38:37,230 --> 01:38:34,540 didn't hit the headlines tell us about 1988 01:38:38,670 --> 01:38:37,240 that well yeah I mean this is the 1989 01:38:41,460 --> 01:38:38,680 interesting thing 1990 01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:41,470 up until well when the attacks occurred 1991 01:38:49,100 --> 01:38:44,320 Waukesha Wisconsin in May 2012 up until 1992 01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:49,110 then nobody really had any sort of 1993 01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:51,730 understanding or even knowledge you know 1994 01:38:55,950 --> 01:38:53,650 of the Slender Man even though there's a 1995 01:38:58,320 --> 01:38:55,960 you know a huge following if you weren't 1996 01:39:01,310 --> 01:38:58,330 into it you really didn't know about it 1997 01:39:05,100 --> 01:39:01,320 but the you know the the fact is that 1998 01:39:08,250 --> 01:39:05,110 when everything sort of took off big 1999 01:39:09,409 --> 01:39:08,260 time in 2014 you know when you had this 2000 01:39:11,959 --> 01:39:09,419 attack 2001 01:39:13,639 --> 01:39:11,969 not just people in Wisconsin or even the 2002 01:39:16,279 --> 01:39:13,649 United States but across the world 2003 01:39:20,589 --> 01:39:16,289 suddenly it all heard of the Slenderman 2004 01:39:25,429 --> 01:39:20,599 and certainly the the May 2014 attack 2005 01:39:27,919 --> 01:39:25,439 you know was the the one thing that sort 2006 01:39:29,629 --> 01:39:27,929 of you know exposed everybody to the 2007 01:39:32,989 --> 01:39:29,639 Slenderman phenomenon but you're quite 2008 01:39:37,689 --> 01:39:32,999 right that there were follow-up cases 2009 01:39:40,399 --> 01:39:37,699 for example excuse me there was one 2010 01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:40,409 which occurred as you mentioned in Ohio 2011 01:39:45,020 --> 01:39:42,570 this was just very very shortly 2012 01:39:47,959 --> 01:39:45,030 afterwards and he demonstrates again 2013 01:39:52,459 --> 01:39:47,969 this situation of young kids you know 2014 01:39:55,459 --> 01:39:52,469 sort of doing things you know that that 2015 01:39:58,159 --> 01:39:55,469 you wouldn't normally do and but this is 2016 01:40:01,939 --> 01:39:58,169 exactly what happened and well it 2017 01:40:04,209 --> 01:40:01,949 actually several cases in one a mother 2018 01:40:06,739 --> 01:40:04,219 actually was attacked by her daughter 2019 01:40:08,750 --> 01:40:06,749 was literally waiting for when she got 2020 01:40:11,719 --> 01:40:08,760 home she's wearing like what was 2021 01:40:14,659 --> 01:40:11,729 described as a death mask and carrying a 2022 01:40:17,659 --> 01:40:14,669 knife and stabbed her mother attacked a 2023 01:40:20,209 --> 01:40:17,669 mother who fortunately was wasn't sort 2024 01:40:23,540 --> 01:40:20,219 of badly injured but nevertheless you 2025 01:40:25,819 --> 01:40:23,550 know it really demonstrated the the ways 2026 01:40:28,759 --> 01:40:25,829 and means by which this was this 2027 01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:28,769 phenomenon was growing and then there 2028 01:40:35,209 --> 01:40:32,090 was another case where for example Wow 2029 01:40:38,750 --> 01:40:35,219 let me jump in the the daughter that 2030 01:40:42,859 --> 01:40:38,760 stabbed her mom in Ohio completely 2031 01:40:44,810 --> 01:40:42,869 obsessed with Slenderman yes she had a 2032 01:40:48,889 --> 01:40:44,820 journal where she wrote about the 2033 01:40:53,089 --> 01:40:48,899 Slender Man and sort of you know related 2034 01:40:54,770 --> 01:40:53,099 to him and felt that he was the only one 2035 01:40:55,909 --> 01:40:54,780 who could kind of understand what was 2036 01:40:59,000 --> 01:40:55,919 going on and there were all these 2037 01:41:00,979 --> 01:40:59,010 references in this journal and that's 2038 01:41:03,649 --> 01:41:00,989 something that happened you know with 2039 01:41:06,679 --> 01:41:03,659 that with the girls in in Waukesha they 2040 01:41:09,409 --> 01:41:06,689 too were felt you know felt drawn to the 2041 01:41:11,239 --> 01:41:09,419 whole Slenderman phenomenon and came to 2042 01:41:13,549 --> 01:41:11,249 believe you know that he they were in 2043 01:41:17,449 --> 01:41:13,559 touch with you and they had to stab 2044 01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:17,459 their friend you know in the name of the 2045 01:41:22,190 --> 01:41:20,159 Slenderman and so you know that that's a 2046 01:41:26,570 --> 01:41:22,200 another example 2047 01:41:29,420 --> 01:41:26,580 there was also a third case for example 2048 01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:29,430 where a mother in Florida in Pasco 2049 01:41:35,330 --> 01:41:33,210 Florida mother and son just managed to 2050 01:41:38,540 --> 01:41:35,340 escape from their home when they when 2051 01:41:41,780 --> 01:41:38,550 the mother's daughter set the house on 2052 01:41:44,660 --> 01:41:41,790 fire and she too was obsessed with the 2053 01:41:47,060 --> 01:41:44,670 Slenderman so you know we're not talking 2054 01:41:49,670 --> 01:41:47,070 about kids you know just sulking in the 2055 01:41:51,650 --> 01:41:49,680 bedroom and wanting to read about the 2056 01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:51,660 Slenderman instead of coming out down to 2057 01:41:56,300 --> 01:41:54,000 a dinner you know if we're actually 2058 01:41:58,550 --> 01:41:56,310 talking about you know parents being 2059 01:42:02,510 --> 01:41:58,560 attacked with knives you know an 2060 01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:02,520 attempted murder of a young girl and you 2061 01:42:08,570 --> 01:42:04,530 know a house being burned down to the 2062 01:42:11,180 --> 01:42:08,580 ground you know this is not sort of 2063 01:42:14,060 --> 01:42:11,190 natural behavior but now what I would 2064 01:42:15,890 --> 01:42:14,070 say what something that a lot of people 2065 01:42:19,700 --> 01:42:15,900 don't know and was never brought up in 2066 01:42:22,340 --> 01:42:19,710 the court cases is that Waukesha where 2067 01:42:25,070 --> 01:42:22,350 be the most infamous attack occurred 2068 01:42:27,620 --> 01:42:25,080 when the two girls chat their former 2069 01:42:29,230 --> 01:42:27,630 friend a lot of people don't realize 2070 01:42:32,540 --> 01:42:29,240 that there's there are pre-existing 2071 01:42:34,480 --> 01:42:32,550 stories of Slenderman type creatures in 2072 01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:34,490 that area what actually goes back to 2073 01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:36,960 1921 which I talked about in the book 2074 01:42:44,480 --> 01:42:39,690 when the body of a young boy was found 2075 01:42:45,980 --> 01:42:44,490 in a local pool in just on the fringes 2076 01:42:49,340 --> 01:42:45,990 of Waukesha now literally only a couple 2077 01:42:53,390 --> 01:42:49,350 of miles from where the attack in 2014 2078 01:42:56,210 --> 01:42:53,400 went ahead now a psychic looked into 2079 01:42:58,880 --> 01:42:56,220 this murder and said that she could see 2080 01:43:02,030 --> 01:42:58,890 this tall thin man in a black suit 2081 01:43:04,250 --> 01:43:02,040 carrying this unfortunate little boy's 2082 01:43:08,660 --> 01:43:04,260 body through the book through the woods 2083 01:43:10,190 --> 01:43:08,670 now this case was 1921 now one of the 2084 01:43:14,330 --> 01:43:10,200 people I interviewed for the book was a 2085 01:43:16,610 --> 01:43:14,340 guy named Mike Huberty and Mike had an 2086 01:43:20,810 --> 01:43:16,620 encounter with a Slenderman type 2087 01:43:23,210 --> 01:43:20,820 character in the woods of Waukesha just 2088 01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:23,220 a couple of miles from where the 2014 2089 01:43:27,710 --> 01:43:25,410 attack occurred but Mike's encounter 2090 01:43:31,220 --> 01:43:27,720 occurred in the mid-1990s and he saw 2091 01:43:34,610 --> 01:43:31,230 this tall shadowy skinny figure looming 2092 01:43:35,660 --> 01:43:34,620 in the woods so in other words you have 2093 01:43:39,410 --> 01:43:35,670 this 2094 01:43:43,730 --> 01:43:39,420 a little known history of attacks in 2095 01:43:46,610 --> 01:43:43,740 that area which predate the attacks of 2096 01:43:49,460 --> 01:43:46,620 the two girls not by years but by 2097 01:43:52,430 --> 01:43:49,470 decades and a lot of other weird stuff 2098 01:43:55,330 --> 01:43:52,440 in Waukesha as well which sort of again 2099 01:43:59,110 --> 01:43:55,340 sort of rise your brings to the fore 2100 01:44:02,450 --> 01:43:59,120 easy the case that you know the girls 2101 01:44:04,070 --> 01:44:02,460 attacked of their own volition or should 2102 01:44:07,010 --> 01:44:04,080 we look at the bigger picture of these 2103 01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:07,020 other cases as well but occurred in that 2104 01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:08,730 area but that was never brought up you 2105 01:44:17,810 --> 01:44:12,330 know in the trial in any way at all I 2106 01:44:21,470 --> 01:44:17,820 grew up there in that area and that's 2107 01:44:24,940 --> 01:44:21,480 part of my interest in into all of this 2108 01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:24,950 is because you know why Keisha what can 2109 01:44:29,540 --> 01:44:27,600 walk Keisha is is something that you 2110 01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:29,550 speak about a lot growing up and when I 2111 01:44:36,770 --> 01:44:32,250 heard about this case and I think about 2112 01:44:39,410 --> 01:44:36,780 the the the part of America that this is 2113 01:44:41,750 --> 01:44:39,420 this this could happen anywhere if it's 2114 01:44:43,730 --> 01:44:41,760 happening happening in Waukesha and 2115 01:44:45,290 --> 01:44:43,740 that's what that's what freaked me out I 2116 01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:45,300 mean it's such a beautiful part of the 2117 01:44:52,610 --> 01:44:49,440 world and the other thing for me like 2118 01:44:54,620 --> 01:44:52,620 these two two little girls you know they 2119 01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:54,630 were twelve years old each and these 2120 01:44:59,390 --> 01:44:56,730 incidents now are starting to happen 2121 01:45:01,280 --> 01:44:59,400 around the country that could there be 2122 01:45:02,990 --> 01:45:01,290 and this is where I think we should 2123 01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:03,000 start to be concerned could there 2124 01:45:10,490 --> 01:45:05,930 actually be like a Slenderman defense 2125 01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:10,500 right in the court system well you know 2126 01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:13,170 I mean there was a lot of debate went on 2127 01:45:20,450 --> 01:45:15,930 you know as to the state of the minds of 2128 01:45:22,610 --> 01:45:20,460 the two girls and you know when you look 2129 01:45:25,190 --> 01:45:22,620 at it it was clear that they were not 2130 01:45:27,410 --> 01:45:25,200 sort of angling you know for an insanity 2131 01:45:29,990 --> 01:45:27,420 plea to get released early they fully 2132 01:45:33,110 --> 01:45:30,000 believed in the existence of the 2133 01:45:36,110 --> 01:45:33,120 Slenderman they felt or they feared that 2134 01:45:39,440 --> 01:45:36,120 if they did not sacrifice literally 2135 01:45:41,210 --> 01:45:39,450 sacrifice their former friend to the 2136 01:45:44,030 --> 01:45:41,220 Slenderman that he would come after 2137 01:45:47,090 --> 01:45:44,040 their families and so that's why they 2138 01:45:48,500 --> 01:45:47,100 were driven to do that and they when 2139 01:45:50,540 --> 01:45:48,510 they stabbed 2140 01:45:52,669 --> 01:45:50,550 paetynn lute and that was the girl who 2141 01:45:54,830 --> 01:45:52,679 got stabbed she was stabbed 19 times and 2142 01:45:57,020 --> 01:45:54,840 amazingly she survived and she's made a 2143 01:45:59,930 --> 01:45:57,030 full recovery physically and 2144 01:46:02,629 --> 01:45:59,940 psychologically she's she's fine now but 2145 01:46:05,419 --> 01:46:02,639 the the two girls fled the area this 2146 01:46:08,449 --> 01:46:05,429 area of park where a local park where 2147 01:46:10,189 --> 01:46:08,459 she was stabbed the police soon picked 2148 01:46:12,290 --> 01:46:10,199 them up because they were walking along 2149 01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:12,300 the side of the highway heading off to a 2150 01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:14,130 large area of forest land where they 2151 01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:16,530 fully believed the Slenderman had this 2152 01:46:20,060 --> 01:46:18,449 sort of creepy old mansion and they were 2153 01:46:22,549 --> 01:46:20,070 going to live with him they fully 2154 01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:22,559 believed and bought into all this now 2155 01:46:28,580 --> 01:46:25,530 interestingly the mother of one of the 2156 01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:28,590 girls said that she'd seen that the 2157 01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:31,650 daughter had seen a Slenderman type 2158 01:46:38,930 --> 01:46:35,489 thing years before which again opens 2159 01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:38,940 like another aspect of the story so you 2160 01:46:45,169 --> 01:46:42,690 know that there wasn't sort of a plan if 2161 01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:45,179 you like to have a Slenderman defense 2162 01:46:50,930 --> 01:46:48,570 that was never part of it but he clearly 2163 01:46:53,660 --> 01:46:50,940 came out in the court that this was not 2164 01:46:56,390 --> 01:46:53,670 you know just a ploy to try and get her 2165 01:46:59,330 --> 01:46:56,400 off with a an insanity plea rather than 2166 01:47:01,640 --> 01:46:59,340 murder plea they really bought into it 2167 01:47:05,359 --> 01:47:01,650 and the court realized you know that the 2168 01:47:07,790 --> 01:47:05,369 place for them was not jail but was you 2169 01:47:09,620 --> 01:47:07,800 know hospital and they will be there you 2170 01:47:10,939 --> 01:47:09,630 know as you said in they'll be there a 2171 01:47:13,339 --> 01:47:10,949 long time they'll be well into 2172 01:47:15,709 --> 01:47:13,349 middle-age before either of them were 2173 01:47:19,790 --> 01:47:15,719 ever released now they're getting ready 2174 01:47:25,819 --> 01:47:19,800 to do a major studio release on the 2175 01:47:28,569 --> 01:47:25,829 Slenderman and is are we again in in a 2176 01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:28,579 little bit of danger world by doing this 2177 01:47:33,979 --> 01:47:32,610 when you know wha Keisha and other 2178 01:47:37,189 --> 01:47:33,989 incidents have happened around the 2179 01:47:41,209 --> 01:47:37,199 country the the phenomenon continues on 2180 01:47:44,540 --> 01:47:41,219 the internet and should there be some 2181 01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:44,550 kind of caution here about what could 2182 01:47:48,169 --> 01:47:46,800 happen because of Slenderman and now 2183 01:47:50,750 --> 01:47:48,179 we're going to come out with the movie 2184 01:47:54,500 --> 01:47:50,760 I'm gonna see the movie for sure but 2185 01:47:57,049 --> 01:47:54,510 what if another incident happens well 2186 01:47:59,750 --> 01:47:57,059 you know I mean I guess there's two ways 2187 01:48:02,029 --> 01:47:59,760 of looking at it is that if we bring it 2188 01:48:04,369 --> 01:48:02,039 to attention then 2189 01:48:08,329 --> 01:48:04,379 you know in terms of the idea of it 2190 01:48:09,979 --> 01:48:08,339 coming to life and further you know he's 2191 01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:09,989 that going to make people think about it 2192 01:48:16,699 --> 01:48:14,159 more or should we say nothing and then 2193 01:48:19,849 --> 01:48:16,709 in that case it might lessen the impact 2194 01:48:23,149 --> 01:48:19,859 you know it's sort of like it's 2195 01:48:25,219 --> 01:48:23,159 difficult to sort of say because you 2196 01:48:28,849 --> 01:48:25,229 don't want to be people in a position 2197 01:48:30,709 --> 01:48:28,859 where nobody knows about bad things in 2198 01:48:32,149 --> 01:48:30,719 the world because you worried that then 2199 01:48:34,099 --> 01:48:32,159 bad things are going to happen you know 2200 01:48:36,399 --> 01:48:34,109 you can't live like that people need to 2201 01:48:38,959 --> 01:48:36,409 know when there are dangers out there 2202 01:48:43,219 --> 01:48:38,969 but you may actually make a good point 2203 01:48:45,069 --> 01:48:43,229 Jimmy it's it's hard to say you know I 2204 01:48:48,979 --> 01:48:45,079 wish I did sort of a straightforward 2205 01:48:51,199 --> 01:48:48,989 solid answer as to you know what what 2206 01:48:54,349 --> 01:48:51,209 the answer actually is I mean all I can 2207 01:48:56,750 --> 01:48:54,359 say for sure is if you look back at the 2208 01:48:58,369 --> 01:48:56,760 history of the Slender Man you know when 2209 01:49:00,979 --> 01:48:58,379 you had when the two girls launched 2210 01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:00,989 their attack with you know within weeks 2211 01:49:04,789 --> 01:49:03,119 there were two more attacks and then 2212 01:49:06,529 --> 01:49:04,799 there was one in the following year in 2213 01:49:11,719 --> 01:49:06,539 Las Vegas where there was actually a 2214 01:49:14,169 --> 01:49:11,729 killing so you know all I can say for 2215 01:49:18,949 --> 01:49:14,179 sure is that when the phenomenon is 2216 01:49:22,399 --> 01:49:18,959 exposed and highlighted bad things have 2217 01:49:27,679 --> 01:49:22,409 happened you know and so you interviewed 2218 01:49:30,229 --> 01:49:27,689 20 individuals for the book and you and 2219 01:49:33,379 --> 01:49:30,239 I and a group of friends were sitting 2220 01:49:38,599 --> 01:49:33,389 around a campfire what's the story that 2221 01:49:42,829 --> 01:49:38,609 you whip out first what in relation to 2222 01:49:46,399 --> 01:49:42,839 the Slenderman yes oh okay well well 2223 01:49:48,349 --> 01:49:46,409 certainly the creepiest story came from 2224 01:49:52,419 --> 01:49:48,359 a woman I spoke to a couple of years ago 2225 01:49:55,639 --> 01:49:52,429 named Lacey and she at the time was a 2226 01:49:56,869 --> 01:49:55,649 trainee flight attendant and I actually 2227 01:50:00,500 --> 01:49:56,879 I spoke to her on a couple of occasions 2228 01:50:02,949 --> 01:50:00,510 and meta ones and she by her own 2229 01:50:05,599 --> 01:50:02,959 admission like so many other people 2230 01:50:08,089 --> 01:50:05,609 became obsessed with the Slenderman 2231 01:50:10,939 --> 01:50:08,099 phenomenon he didn't stay is just 2232 01:50:13,989 --> 01:50:10,949 something that interested her and as she 2233 01:50:15,440 --> 01:50:13,999 told me she printed off like 20 or 30 2234 01:50:18,620 --> 01:50:15,450 pieces of our 2235 01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:18,630 work from from you know for me internet 2236 01:50:23,540 --> 01:50:21,330 and got a bunch of picture frames and 2237 01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:23,550 turned kind of one of her rooms into 2238 01:50:28,040 --> 01:50:26,130 like a spare bedroom into a room where 2239 01:50:30,830 --> 01:50:28,050 it was just filled with artwork of the 2240 01:50:33,440 --> 01:50:30,840 Slenderman she was up late at night on 2241 01:50:36,350 --> 01:50:33,450 her days off from the job you know 2242 01:50:38,510 --> 01:50:36,360 taking part in forums and chat rooms and 2243 01:50:41,270 --> 01:50:38,520 a lot of her research if not the vast 2244 01:50:43,700 --> 01:50:41,280 majority was done online and that's an 2245 01:50:45,470 --> 01:50:43,710 important point because she said at the 2246 01:50:48,020 --> 01:50:45,480 height of all this research when she'd 2247 01:50:50,060 --> 01:50:48,030 been digging deeply and she'd also been 2248 01:50:51,860 --> 01:50:50,070 looking into the angle of thought forms 2249 01:50:55,190 --> 01:50:51,870 that people were already then talking 2250 01:50:57,800 --> 01:50:55,200 about and she said on one occasion she 2251 01:50:59,630 --> 01:50:57,810 saw what looked very very briefly like a 2252 01:51:02,780 --> 01:50:59,640 millisecond but it was enough to make it 2253 01:51:05,300 --> 01:51:02,790 out she saw what looked like the image 2254 01:51:08,270 --> 01:51:05,310 of the slender man's face on her laptop 2255 01:51:09,890 --> 01:51:08,280 and then he was gone and she said it 2256 01:51:11,420 --> 01:51:09,900 happened a second time where she saw 2257 01:51:13,910 --> 01:51:11,430 actually the silhouette of the entire 2258 01:51:17,030 --> 01:51:13,920 figure on there and then on a third 2259 01:51:18,950 --> 01:51:17,040 occasion she had like a voice come 2260 01:51:21,470 --> 01:51:18,960 through the laptop which said we're 2261 01:51:22,640 --> 01:51:21,480 friends now and this literally sort of 2262 01:51:26,510 --> 01:51:22,650 totally freaked her out 2263 01:51:30,230 --> 01:51:26,520 and she literally destroyed all her 2264 01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:30,240 files took down all the paintings took 2265 01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:31,650 about the frames and you know just 2266 01:51:36,890 --> 01:51:33,210 screwed it all up put it out in the 2267 01:51:39,890 --> 01:51:36,900 garbage but what was really weird is 2268 01:51:42,230 --> 01:51:39,900 that she had a copy of a previous book 2269 01:51:44,300 --> 01:51:42,240 on the Slenderman written by a friend of 2270 01:51:46,700 --> 01:51:44,310 mine named Robin Swope and Robin's book 2271 01:51:50,480 --> 01:51:46,710 was called Slenderman from fiction to 2272 01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:50,490 fact and Lacey was so terrified by what 2273 01:51:57,370 --> 01:51:53,010 she'd seen and done that she actually 2274 01:52:00,950 --> 01:51:57,380 burned her copy of Robins book and that 2275 01:52:04,430 --> 01:52:00,960 demonstrated how you know how she being 2276 01:52:06,350 --> 01:52:04,440 plunged into this state of terror and 2277 01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:06,360 particularly by having these fleeting 2278 01:52:12,350 --> 01:52:08,810 images of the Slenderman on her laptop 2279 01:52:14,150 --> 01:52:12,360 and she was someone of these growing 2280 01:52:16,130 --> 01:52:14,160 group of people who felt that somehow 2281 01:52:18,350 --> 01:52:16,140 this lent the internet was becoming 2282 01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:18,360 self-aware that it was picking up on her 2283 01:52:25,010 --> 01:52:22,400 thoughts and and in in essence sort of 2284 01:52:26,660 --> 01:52:25,020 recording and chronicling all the sights 2285 01:52:29,150 --> 01:52:26,670 she was going to and then in a strange 2286 01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:29,160 way projects hid it back to 2287 01:52:34,670 --> 01:52:32,370 and and she never really got back into 2288 01:52:37,190 --> 01:52:34,680 the subject ever since other than to 2289 01:52:40,010 --> 01:52:37,200 share the story with me which she said 2290 01:52:42,650 --> 01:52:40,020 she was okay with going in the in the 2291 01:52:45,950 --> 01:52:42,660 book because she didn't feel that terror 2292 01:52:48,200 --> 01:52:45,960 and paranoia was there anymore but at 2293 01:52:51,560 --> 01:52:48,210 the time she said you know she looking 2294 01:52:53,780 --> 01:52:51,570 back she was like totally deranged to a 2295 01:52:56,150 --> 01:52:53,790 degree at least you know I'm looking at 2296 01:52:58,430 --> 01:52:56,160 some of these historical pictures that 2297 01:53:01,610 --> 01:52:58,440 people have posted that they found over 2298 01:53:05,180 --> 01:53:01,620 the years of what could be Slenderman in 2299 01:53:07,460 --> 01:53:05,190 the background I gotta say some of it's 2300 01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:07,470 pretty convincing I mean that says 2301 01:53:13,610 --> 01:53:10,170 that'll put a chill down your spine it 2302 01:53:16,340 --> 01:53:13,620 just appears to me looking at some of 2303 01:53:18,500 --> 01:53:16,350 these historical photographs that he's 2304 01:53:21,350 --> 01:53:18,510 been with us for a very long time I 2305 01:53:24,020 --> 01:53:21,360 think that the Internet is just Allison 2306 01:53:28,820 --> 01:53:24,030 just said did we create him or did we 2307 01:53:31,460 --> 01:53:28,830 just energize him well that's a good 2308 01:53:34,730 --> 01:53:31,470 question I mean I think we created him 2309 01:53:36,770 --> 01:53:34,740 in the sense of what his name is today 2310 01:53:39,800 --> 01:53:36,780 and how he specifically looks with like 2311 01:53:41,480 --> 01:53:39,810 the you know the tentacles and so on but 2312 01:53:43,220 --> 01:53:41,490 I think what we actually did we sort of 2313 01:53:46,190 --> 01:53:43,230 woke up something that's been with us 2314 01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:46,200 for a long time and we gave it a new 2315 01:53:52,340 --> 01:53:50,400 name and revamped it you know in the 2316 01:53:54,380 --> 01:53:52,350 same way you can find all around the 2317 01:53:56,300 --> 01:53:54,390 world stories of strange creatures or 2318 01:53:58,520 --> 01:53:56,310 bridges you know everybody's know the 2319 01:54:00,470 --> 01:53:58,530 story be the ghost of the old lady at 2320 01:54:03,230 --> 01:54:00,480 the bridge or you know there's a Bigfoot 2321 01:54:06,140 --> 01:54:03,240 beneath the bridge or you know a troll 2322 01:54:07,610 --> 01:54:06,150 or whatever you know right it's kind of 2323 01:54:10,160 --> 01:54:07,620 like that thing you can find stories 2324 01:54:11,780 --> 01:54:10,170 like that everywhere you know Friday 2325 01:54:14,270 --> 01:54:11,790 night bunch of kids go out to the bridge 2326 01:54:17,330 --> 01:54:14,280 and try and summon up the the old lady 2327 01:54:19,970 --> 01:54:17,340 or whatever so yeah I think there's a 2328 01:54:23,030 --> 01:54:19,980 bit of bit of both really in relation to 2329 01:54:24,710 --> 01:54:23,040 that point but you know when you talk 2330 01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:24,720 about the artwork you were looking at 2331 01:54:30,200 --> 01:54:27,570 one of the reasons I think why it struck 2332 01:54:32,660 --> 01:54:30,210 the you know and caught the attention of 2333 01:54:36,020 --> 01:54:32,670 so many people is because admittedly a 2334 01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:36,030 lot of the artwork is really kind of 2335 01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:38,850 done very well and to the point where 2336 01:54:42,950 --> 01:54:40,890 people do just sort of stare at him 2337 01:54:45,890 --> 01:54:42,960 they're like whoa you know this is 2338 01:54:47,959 --> 01:54:45,900 really almost like hypnotizing that's 2339 01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:47,969 what I think got a lot to do with it as 2340 01:54:54,590 --> 01:54:51,450 well it's it really drags people in 2341 01:54:57,650 --> 01:54:54,600 because the whole thing whether you know 2342 01:55:00,470 --> 01:54:57,660 in a strange way in a disturbing way 2343 01:55:04,420 --> 01:55:00,480 it's all having been done so well you 2344 01:55:07,300 --> 01:55:04,430 know have you seen the trailer from Sony 2345 01:55:10,100 --> 01:55:07,310 yes I have yeah and what do you think 2346 01:55:14,240 --> 01:55:10,110 well I mean it kind of captures that 2347 01:55:19,580 --> 01:55:14,250 sense of paranoia you know and the sense 2348 01:55:22,610 --> 01:55:19,590 of fear and the unknown and you know 2349 01:55:24,709 --> 01:55:22,620 predatory things just outside of the you 2350 01:55:27,110 --> 01:55:24,719 know visible eye sight or whatever and 2351 01:55:28,790 --> 01:55:27,120 what's coming you know it's I think that 2352 01:55:31,070 --> 01:55:28,800 what he does more than anything else he 2353 01:55:33,140 --> 01:55:31,080 creates like a buildup you know which is 2354 01:55:35,810 --> 01:55:33,150 I guess what you know movie trailers are 2355 01:55:38,150 --> 01:55:35,820 meant to do but more so with the Slender 2356 01:55:40,459 --> 01:55:38,160 Man you know it creates just in the 2357 01:55:44,590 --> 01:55:40,469 trailer alone it's like this sense of 2358 01:55:47,150 --> 01:55:44,600 impending growing unease you know what 2359 01:55:48,709 --> 01:55:47,160 we've got about two minutes I did want 2360 01:55:51,770 --> 01:55:48,719 to ask you this before we hit the break 2361 01:55:54,380 --> 01:55:51,780 and and and come back do you listen to 2362 01:55:58,070 --> 01:55:54,390 creep do you go and read or listen to 2363 01:56:00,290 --> 01:55:58,080 any of the creepypasta stories not 2364 01:56:02,090 --> 01:56:00,300 really I mean I did when I was doing the 2365 01:56:05,510 --> 01:56:02,100 research you know I did I read a lot of 2366 01:56:08,420 --> 01:56:05,520 them to get kind of a flavor of the you 2367 01:56:11,390 --> 01:56:08,430 know the the stories and the vibe you 2368 01:56:13,580 --> 01:56:11,400 know from the people and and basically 2369 01:56:15,320 --> 01:56:13,590 you know that the culture surrounding it 2370 01:56:17,390 --> 01:56:15,330 but I did that because I think it was 2371 01:56:19,850 --> 01:56:17,400 important to understand you know I can't 2372 01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:19,860 just sort of talk about creepy posture 2373 01:56:24,350 --> 01:56:22,010 or something awful you need to sort of 2374 01:56:26,540 --> 01:56:24,360 understand the concept of it and a lot 2375 01:56:28,570 --> 01:56:26,550 of the vibe and everything else so yeah 2376 01:56:31,250 --> 01:56:28,580 when I was doing the research I did and 2377 01:56:34,610 --> 01:56:31,260 you know one of the things I realized 2378 01:56:37,250 --> 01:56:34,620 was the extent to which you know sites 2379 01:56:39,650 --> 01:56:37,260 like this and others you know that they 2380 01:56:42,709 --> 01:56:39,660 they take up a lot of a person's tie a 2381 01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:42,719 lot of their life you know and and they 2382 01:56:48,650 --> 01:56:47,010 take it very very seriously and you know 2383 01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:48,660 a lot of work goes into some of these 2384 01:56:53,720 --> 01:56:52,170 stories and and this you know there's 2385 01:56:55,940 --> 01:56:53,730 nothing wrong with having an interest 2386 01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:55,950 and writing little horror stories online 2387 01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:56,730 but 2388 01:57:01,400 --> 01:56:59,280 I think when it becomes when you start 2389 01:57:05,390 --> 01:57:01,410 doing that at the expense of having a 2390 01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:05,400 normal life that's when problems can set 2391 01:57:09,080 --> 01:57:06,930 in and you know and that can relate to 2392 01:57:12,590 --> 01:57:09,090 any aspect of life if you become 2393 01:57:15,470 --> 01:57:12,600 obsessed with it then danger sets in 2394 01:57:23,300 --> 01:57:15,480 it's inevitable you know yeah I Jeff the 2395 01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:23,310 killer right oh man that's a perfect 2396 01:57:29,510 --> 01:57:26,970 example of how you know that the 2397 01:57:32,990 --> 01:57:29,520 Internet has it allows the ability to 2398 01:57:35,570 --> 01:57:33,000 you know create these characters that 2399 01:57:38,510 --> 01:57:35,580 people just they're like well this is so 2400 01:57:42,020 --> 01:57:38,520 cool not realizing that well maybe it's 2401 01:57:44,030 --> 01:57:42,030 not so cool after all but it's something 2402 01:57:47,200 --> 01:57:44,040 that you might regret you know 2403 01:57:51,710 --> 01:57:47,210 yeah Jeff the killer is over the top 2404 01:57:53,660 --> 01:57:51,720 right so you take the idea and you 2405 01:57:55,460 --> 01:57:53,670 create an image and the next thing you 2406 01:57:59,720 --> 01:57:55,470 know then you know you're building this 2407 01:58:04,790 --> 01:57:59,730 story and it's about as out there as it 2408 01:58:06,500 --> 01:58:04,800 gets but it's it's it's modern you know 2409 01:58:09,860 --> 01:58:06,510 what I mean that's the thing it's this 2410 01:58:13,340 --> 01:58:09,870 is what you've we've gotten so scared 2411 01:58:15,860 --> 01:58:13,350 over the years like I had said you know 2412 01:58:18,229 --> 01:58:15,870 to get that adrenaline rush it's got to 2413 01:58:21,110 --> 01:58:18,239 get scarier it's got to get crazier it's 2414 01:58:24,170 --> 01:58:21,120 got to get freakier what do you get you 2415 01:58:27,100 --> 01:58:24,180 get Jeff the killer and that's an 2416 01:58:29,690 --> 01:58:27,110 example man you've really got to push it 2417 01:58:31,970 --> 01:58:29,700 yeah yeah you're right and you know of 2418 01:58:33,740 --> 01:58:31,980 course the the problem is well what's 2419 01:58:37,910 --> 01:58:33,750 what's the next step you know what's 2420 01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:37,920 going to be the next entity that's gonna 2421 01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:41,010 create this kind of phenomenon or is he 2422 01:58:45,410 --> 01:58:43,050 just going to be consistently the 2423 01:58:47,180 --> 01:58:45,420 Slenderman is gonna be sort of the the 2424 01:58:49,250 --> 01:58:47,190 leader of the pack you know is it just 2425 01:58:52,310 --> 01:58:49,260 gonna stay like that I mean that would 2426 01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:52,320 not surprise me that if he just did not 2427 01:58:58,130 --> 01:58:55,370 carry on you with the Slenderman sort of 2428 01:59:00,470 --> 01:58:58,140 marching ahead because like I said 2429 01:59:03,350 --> 01:59:00,480 earlier it's it's difficult for a lot of 2430 01:59:05,390 --> 01:59:03,360 these people to walk away from it or 2431 01:59:09,200 --> 01:59:05,400 forget about it when they've you know 2432 01:59:10,580 --> 01:59:09,210 invested so much time and obsession that 2433 01:59:12,649 --> 01:59:10,590 the chances 2434 01:59:14,750 --> 01:59:12,659 you know it's almost like a junkie he's 2435 01:59:17,300 --> 01:59:14,760 like I skin a hairy and I did to stop 2436 01:59:20,540 --> 01:59:17,310 just period you know it's not gonna 2437 01:59:22,609 --> 01:59:20,550 happen no no and your comparison to 2438 01:59:25,729 --> 01:59:22,619 rollercoasters is perfect if you think 2439 01:59:28,820 --> 01:59:25,739 about you know the colossus or whatever 2440 01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:28,830 these roller coasters of the 20s and 30s 2441 01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:31,650 and and what we have today in amusement 2442 01:59:37,189 --> 01:59:35,010 parks it's craziness what you have to do 2443 01:59:39,770 --> 01:59:37,199 because you have to keep right 2444 01:59:41,600 --> 01:59:39,780 I don't know what's next you just you 2445 01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:41,610 know you get pushed out of an airplane I 2446 01:59:47,089 --> 01:59:45,210 guess you know I think the one thing 2447 01:59:49,250 --> 01:59:47,099 that's probably gonna increase massively 2448 01:59:51,290 --> 01:59:49,260 over the next few years and I mean it's 2449 01:59:54,530 --> 01:59:51,300 increased a lot you know in the last few 2450 01:59:57,229 --> 01:59:54,540 years is like virtual reality yes you 2451 01:59:59,899 --> 01:59:57,239 know I could easily see how kids 20 2452 02:00:01,850 --> 01:59:59,909 years from now might be spending you 2453 02:00:05,629 --> 02:00:01,860 know half their lives in virtual reality 2454 02:00:07,970 --> 02:00:05,639 world you know seriously yes seriously 2455 02:00:10,430 --> 02:00:07,980 getting scared if you think about it 2456 02:00:12,890 --> 02:00:10,440 this is fade to black our guest tonight 2457 02:00:15,260 --> 02:00:12,900 Nick Redfern we're talking about his new 2458 02:00:18,649 --> 02:00:15,270 book 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you're on the road with 2525 02:03:26,140 --> 02:03:24,110 limited data or Wi-Fi available you can 2526 02:03:28,570 --> 02:03:26,150 still listen to every minute of fade to 2527 02:03:30,970 --> 02:03:28,580 black by just calling six oh five five 2528 02:03:33,459 --> 02:03:30,980 six two four four eight two no 2529 02:03:35,770 --> 02:03:33,469 smartphone app or internet needed it 2530 02:03:38,410 --> 02:03:35,780 saves your data plan and no extra cost 2531 02:03:41,260 --> 02:03:38,420 if you have unlimited minutes just call 2532 02:03:43,720 --> 02:03:41,270 six oh five five six two four four eight 2533 02:03:52,680 --> 02:03:43,730 two you can listen to me Jimmy Church on 2534 02:03:56,720 --> 02:03:54,680 [Music] 2535 02:03:58,859 --> 02:03:56,730 [Applause] 2536 02:04:03,120 --> 02:03:58,869 you wanna know a secret 2537 02:04:06,060 --> 02:04:03,130 I love ponies I really love ponies I'm 2538 02:04:09,600 --> 02:04:06,070 serious I couldn't stay sane without 2539 02:04:15,830 --> 02:04:09,610 Pony mr. brush my fade to black 2540 02:04:19,830 --> 02:04:17,910 this is fade to black 2541 02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:19,840 with Jimmy Church on the game changer 2542 02:04:25,880 --> 02:04:23,530 radio network and kgr a the global radio 2543 02:04:37,530 --> 02:04:25,890 alliance 2544 02:04:39,669 --> 02:04:37,540 [Music] 2545 02:04:41,229 --> 02:04:39,679 welcome back fade to black humming 2546 02:04:43,780 --> 02:04:41,239 shimmy Church I guess tonight Nick 2547 02:04:46,180 --> 02:04:43,790 Redfern talking about his new book and 2548 02:04:53,350 --> 02:04:46,190 it's great by the way the Slender Man 2549 02:04:57,879 --> 02:04:53,360 mysteries and Nick one of the for me I 2550 02:05:00,609 --> 02:04:57,889 like I like nonfiction right that's what 2551 02:05:04,500 --> 02:05:00,619 I like I like nonfiction and this book 2552 02:05:09,160 --> 02:05:04,510 is nonfiction that's the scariest part 2553 02:05:12,760 --> 02:05:09,170 about this book this isn't these are 2554 02:05:17,649 --> 02:05:12,770 these are real experiences and you 2555 02:05:20,200 --> 02:05:17,659 mentioned Las Vegas earlier and I want 2556 02:05:24,430 --> 02:05:20,210 to go back to that for the audience 2557 02:05:26,709 --> 02:05:24,440 because they actually know or have heard 2558 02:05:28,500 --> 02:05:26,719 about what happened in Las Vegas but 2559 02:05:33,550 --> 02:05:28,510 they didn't know about the Slender Man 2560 02:05:35,859 --> 02:05:33,560 connection and this was this happened at 2561 02:05:38,439 --> 02:05:35,869 a Walmart and now the audience is going 2562 02:05:42,459 --> 02:05:38,449 oh oh wait a minute wait a minute I do 2563 02:05:44,290 --> 02:05:42,469 okay that's the incident but they don't 2564 02:05:46,359 --> 02:05:44,300 know about the Slender Man part of the 2565 02:05:47,970 --> 02:05:46,369 story take us through what happened it 2566 02:05:50,979 --> 02:05:47,980 was a husband and wife by the way 2567 02:05:53,890 --> 02:05:50,989 yeah well you know went down on June the 2568 02:05:56,830 --> 02:05:53,900 8th 2014 and the the couple involved 2569 02:05:59,830 --> 02:05:56,840 named Jared and Amanda Miller and they 2570 02:06:02,470 --> 02:05:59,840 lived in Las Vegas and they were a 2571 02:06:06,819 --> 02:06:02,480 couple who were heavily involved or 2572 02:06:09,490 --> 02:06:06,829 interested in like superhero type 2573 02:06:12,540 --> 02:06:09,500 phenomena and comic books graphic novels 2574 02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:12,550 that kind of thing and Amanda she was 2575 02:06:18,609 --> 02:06:15,530 heavily involved in the whole Harley 2576 02:06:22,330 --> 02:06:18,619 Quinn character like a supervillain s 2577 02:06:24,760 --> 02:06:22,340 created by DC Comics and but they both 2578 02:06:27,370 --> 02:06:24,770 had this obsession with the Slender Man 2579 02:06:31,930 --> 02:06:27,380 and like so many others you know they 2580 02:06:33,669 --> 02:06:31,940 took part in online discussions and you 2581 02:06:36,520 --> 02:06:33,679 know followed all the developments in 2582 02:06:40,839 --> 02:06:36,530 the stories watch Marble Hornets all 2583 02:06:43,120 --> 02:06:40,849 this kind of stuff and and then for 2584 02:06:47,020 --> 02:06:43,130 whatever reason you know they went down 2585 02:06:50,140 --> 02:06:47,030 the same path as so many others and they 2586 02:06:51,070 --> 02:06:50,150 started to get involved in like you know 2587 02:06:53,970 --> 02:06:51,080 buying gun 2588 02:06:56,650 --> 02:06:53,980 and camo gear and all sorts of stuff and 2589 02:06:59,410 --> 02:06:56,660 and then it was like a ticking time bomb 2590 02:07:03,300 --> 02:06:59,420 was growing sort of bigger and bigger 2591 02:07:06,900 --> 02:07:03,310 and what basically happened was that 2592 02:07:10,330 --> 02:07:06,910 they gunned down two police officers and 2593 02:07:12,850 --> 02:07:10,340 killed them both and killed a guy in 2594 02:07:17,140 --> 02:07:12,860 Walmart as well before they were both 2595 02:07:19,360 --> 02:07:17,150 killed and when the you know the the 2596 02:07:21,880 --> 02:07:19,370 police began their investigation they 2597 02:07:24,580 --> 02:07:21,890 found out there was this connection you 2598 02:07:26,770 --> 02:07:24,590 know this obsession with the Slenderman 2599 02:07:29,830 --> 02:07:26,780 and how they would sort of well he would 2600 02:07:31,960 --> 02:07:29,840 Jared Miller would dress up as you know 2601 02:07:34,600 --> 02:07:31,970 the business lender man with the suit 2602 02:07:37,740 --> 02:07:34,610 and paint his face white and things like 2603 02:07:42,910 --> 02:07:37,750 this and you know just another 2604 02:07:44,920 --> 02:07:42,920 disturbing aspect if you like of how not 2605 02:07:47,500 --> 02:07:44,930 just young kids you know but I think he 2606 02:07:49,810 --> 02:07:47,510 was like 30 or something like that but 2607 02:07:53,110 --> 02:07:49,820 can still get kind of sucked into this 2608 02:07:56,500 --> 02:07:53,120 and you know and so again that's like 2609 02:07:59,950 --> 02:07:56,510 yet another case of just people going 2610 02:08:03,400 --> 02:07:59,960 off the rails and causing havoc and 2611 02:08:08,350 --> 02:08:03,410 death and there's a direct connection to 2612 02:08:12,070 --> 02:08:08,360 the Slenderman and there I talked 2613 02:08:14,710 --> 02:08:12,080 earlier about grand theft auto and the 2614 02:08:19,510 --> 02:08:14,720 Slenderman his appearance of grand theft 2615 02:08:22,300 --> 02:08:19,520 auto it was it's terrifying it's it's 2616 02:08:25,060 --> 02:08:22,310 fun it's a great twist to it if you have 2617 02:08:28,240 --> 02:08:25,070 you ever gone and found them in in in 2618 02:08:30,550 --> 02:08:28,250 Grand Theft Auto no actually happens but 2619 02:08:32,230 --> 02:08:30,560 I knew that sort of brought it into it 2620 02:08:35,680 --> 02:08:32,240 yeah it's pretty cool it's pretty cool 2621 02:08:39,490 --> 02:08:35,690 and you can't escape you can't escape 2622 02:08:44,470 --> 02:08:39,500 Slenderman by the way has anybody can 2623 02:08:46,420 --> 02:08:44,480 you kill can you defeat Slenderman well 2624 02:08:48,700 --> 02:08:46,430 that's an interesting question because 2625 02:08:51,370 --> 02:08:48,710 one of the one of the theories in 2626 02:08:54,570 --> 02:08:51,380 relation to thought forms is that they 2627 02:08:57,550 --> 02:08:54,580 can essentially be disintegrated or 2628 02:09:00,600 --> 02:08:57,560 dissolved in the pretty much the same 2629 02:09:03,730 --> 02:09:00,610 way that they were created by intense 2630 02:09:04,720 --> 02:09:03,740 concentration you know in one hand you 2631 02:09:07,150 --> 02:09:04,730 have intense 2632 02:09:09,370 --> 02:09:07,160 concentration to create it you know you 2633 02:09:12,340 --> 02:09:09,380 focus on the image of how the Slenderman 2634 02:09:15,729 --> 02:09:12,350 looks you know the suit the pale skin 2635 02:09:17,500 --> 02:09:15,739 the faceless face the tentacles and you 2636 02:09:20,470 --> 02:09:17,510 project it outwardly and you've got 2637 02:09:23,020 --> 02:09:20,480 thousands of people doing that you do 2638 02:09:25,320 --> 02:09:23,030 the exact opposite to deconstruct it you 2639 02:09:27,820 --> 02:09:25,330 in your mind you try and focus on 2640 02:09:29,950 --> 02:09:27,830 literally disintegrating the creature 2641 02:09:32,260 --> 02:09:29,960 until there's nothing left whatsoever 2642 02:09:35,020 --> 02:09:32,270 and the theories that actually works but 2643 02:09:38,020 --> 02:09:35,030 the problem is there are so many people 2644 02:09:40,930 --> 02:09:38,030 that they're not dangerous but they 2645 02:09:44,320 --> 02:09:40,940 still enjoy reading the phenomenon and 2646 02:09:48,250 --> 02:09:44,330 have no intention of leaving it alone so 2647 02:09:51,430 --> 02:09:48,260 you know in theory we could destroy the 2648 02:09:56,260 --> 02:09:51,440 Slenderman you know an obliterated from 2649 02:09:58,030 --> 02:09:56,270 reality by not thinking about it and you 2650 02:09:59,770 --> 02:09:58,040 know when we've destroyed it but that's 2651 02:10:04,630 --> 02:09:59,780 that's sort of asking for too much that 2652 02:10:07,390 --> 02:10:04,640 won't happen so really we kind of stuck 2653 02:10:09,070 --> 02:10:07,400 with it because you know that as I said 2654 02:10:11,470 --> 02:10:09,080 with Google you know seven million 2655 02:10:13,900 --> 02:10:11,480 results you're not going to find the 2656 02:10:16,060 --> 02:10:13,910 substantial number of them just walk 2657 02:10:18,640 --> 02:10:16,070 away from this subject that they've sort 2658 02:10:22,810 --> 02:10:18,650 of you know embraced for however many 2659 02:10:26,979 --> 02:10:22,820 years and then of all things and I keep 2660 02:10:30,280 --> 02:10:26,989 bringing up the word concerned 2015 2661 02:10:34,750 --> 02:10:30,290 there was literally an epidemic of 2662 02:10:36,850 --> 02:10:34,760 suicide attempts by by kids as young as 2663 02:10:40,330 --> 02:10:36,860 twelve through twenty four at the Pine 2664 02:10:43,030 --> 02:10:40,340 Ridge Indian Reservation well yeah I 2665 02:10:45,250 --> 02:10:43,040 mean this is a very disturbing story the 2666 02:10:49,000 --> 02:10:45,260 Pine Ridge Reservation again goes back 2667 02:10:52,210 --> 02:10:49,010 to the whole Native American culture and 2668 02:10:55,690 --> 02:10:52,220 their believes in this creature known as 2669 02:10:58,930 --> 02:10:55,700 walking Sam and as I said the the story 2670 02:11:02,200 --> 02:10:58,940 of walking Sam goes back a long way and 2671 02:11:07,240 --> 02:11:02,210 he too is sort of associated with 2672 02:11:09,460 --> 02:11:07,250 suicide with death and you know the the 2673 02:11:12,220 --> 02:11:09,470 worst part of it was was that the sort 2674 02:11:14,979 --> 02:11:12,230 of the you know the the angle the story 2675 02:11:17,740 --> 02:11:14,989 the fiction behind it the legend came 2676 02:11:18,310 --> 02:11:17,750 true and you had a substantial number of 2677 02:11:20,710 --> 02:11:18,320 kids who 2678 02:11:23,980 --> 02:11:20,720 kill themselves on the on the 2679 02:11:27,040 --> 02:11:23,990 reservation and a number of others who 2680 02:11:28,900 --> 02:11:27,050 attempted suicide and fortunately you 2681 02:11:32,890 --> 02:11:28,910 know they didn't either go through with 2682 02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:32,900 it or it just didn't work and in some 2683 02:11:37,900 --> 02:11:34,490 cases he was you know just a cry for 2684 02:11:42,310 --> 02:11:37,910 help but again it all revolved around a 2685 02:11:44,320 --> 02:11:42,320 tall skinny figure dark clothes and like 2686 02:11:46,510 --> 02:11:44,330 some of these creatures like the shadow 2687 02:11:51,250 --> 02:11:46,520 people with the man in black wearing a 2688 02:11:56,230 --> 02:11:51,260 dark colored hat and in everything but 2689 02:11:59,830 --> 02:11:56,240 name walking Sam is the Slenderman then 2690 02:12:02,650 --> 02:11:59,840 you write in the book okay so I go back 2691 02:12:08,110 --> 02:12:02,660 I bring up gran turismo I bring up all 2692 02:12:11,020 --> 02:12:08,120 of these other aspects of it is where 2693 02:12:17,370 --> 02:12:11,030 Slenderman is singular it's it's one 2694 02:12:22,390 --> 02:12:17,380 it's but you bring up Robin slope and 2695 02:12:26,100 --> 02:12:22,400 that I have often thought what if there 2696 02:12:29,200 --> 02:12:26,110 were two what if there were a dozen 2697 02:12:32,170 --> 02:12:29,210 right and and you and you bring it up in 2698 02:12:36,820 --> 02:12:32,180 the book and you take a plural right you 2699 02:12:40,630 --> 02:12:36,830 go from slender man to slender men and 2700 02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:40,640 an army of them tell us about that well 2701 02:12:46,120 --> 02:12:42,890 yeah Robin is the guy who I mentioned 2702 02:12:48,520 --> 02:12:46,130 earlier who when they pay my interview 2703 02:12:50,490 --> 02:12:48,530 for the book Lacey she she burned his 2704 02:12:53,080 --> 02:12:50,500 book and that was Robin who I mentioned 2705 02:12:54,730 --> 02:12:53,090 Slenderman fanfictions in fact Jesse 2706 02:12:56,860 --> 02:12:54,740 burned his book because she was so 2707 02:13:00,220 --> 02:12:56,870 disturbed by everything that was going 2708 02:13:03,130 --> 02:13:00,230 on in her life but when I interviewed 2709 02:13:06,430 --> 02:13:03,140 Robin specifically for the book you know 2710 02:13:08,470 --> 02:13:06,440 he told me a number of stories which 2711 02:13:10,840 --> 02:13:08,480 were usually just in the singular but 2712 02:13:15,940 --> 02:13:10,850 there's this one particular case from 2713 02:13:19,120 --> 02:13:15,950 actually from the 1950s in Ohio where he 2714 02:13:21,490 --> 02:13:19,130 interviewed a pastor the guy's a pastor 2715 02:13:25,390 --> 02:13:21,500 now back in the 50s he was just you know 2716 02:13:28,240 --> 02:13:25,400 a young kid and this guy the pastor told 2717 02:13:30,940 --> 02:13:28,250 Robin as to how he'd seen this sort of 2718 02:13:33,730 --> 02:13:30,950 almost like an army of Slenderman 2719 02:13:36,520 --> 02:13:33,740 walking across his family's farm one 2720 02:13:38,980 --> 02:13:36,530 particular day and what was weird was 2721 02:13:41,320 --> 02:13:38,990 everything suddenly went quiet like a 2722 02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:41,330 vacuum you know it could nearly insects 2723 02:13:46,900 --> 02:13:44,090 the birds the wind nothing it was just 2724 02:13:50,040 --> 02:13:46,910 like as if the volume had just been 2725 02:13:52,840 --> 02:13:50,050 muted you know and that was enough to 2726 02:13:56,950 --> 02:13:52,850 sort of sparked the demands attention 2727 02:13:59,290 --> 02:13:56,960 and he said that he saw a lion in his 2728 02:14:02,470 --> 02:13:59,300 own words a line of slender people as he 2729 02:14:04,990 --> 02:14:02,480 called them coming out of the woods just 2730 02:14:08,920 --> 02:14:05,000 across from the neighbor's place and he 2731 02:14:12,010 --> 02:14:08,930 described them as tall dressed in dark 2732 02:14:15,640 --> 02:14:12,020 clothing and walking in again in his own 2733 02:14:19,030 --> 02:14:15,650 words at a slow relentless pace and then 2734 02:14:22,120 --> 02:14:19,040 they suddenly vanished from sight and he 2735 02:14:24,430 --> 02:14:22,130 came to believe the the guy who told the 2736 02:14:26,770 --> 02:14:24,440 story to Robin he came to believe you 2737 02:14:30,310 --> 02:14:26,780 know that there was something sort of 2738 02:14:32,620 --> 02:14:30,320 demonic or paranormal about of this and 2739 02:14:34,930 --> 02:14:32,630 you know in terms of what it actually 2740 02:14:37,240 --> 02:14:34,940 was that they that he was saying you 2741 02:14:39,100 --> 02:14:37,250 know whatever these things were now 2742 02:14:42,220 --> 02:14:39,110 because this was in the fifties he 2743 02:14:44,500 --> 02:14:42,230 didn't refer to it as the Slenderman but 2744 02:14:47,740 --> 02:14:44,510 obviously when the Slenderman started to 2745 02:14:50,560 --> 02:14:47,750 get publicity this guy was like wow this 2746 02:14:54,130 --> 02:14:50,570 is just he says just like what I saw but 2747 02:14:56,200 --> 02:14:54,140 50 years ago and actually have another 2748 02:14:59,350 --> 02:14:56,210 case where there was more than one 2749 02:15:02,170 --> 02:14:59,360 Slenderman and this was actually brought 2750 02:15:05,440 --> 02:15:02,180 to me since the book was published and 2751 02:15:08,410 --> 02:15:05,450 it came from a woman who actually saw 2752 02:15:10,180 --> 02:15:08,420 two of these in a cemetery in Dallas 2753 02:15:13,300 --> 02:15:10,190 which is about 30 miles from where I 2754 02:15:16,180 --> 02:15:13,310 live that's why she contacted me living 2755 02:15:19,090 --> 02:15:16,190 locally and she saw two of them and she 2756 02:15:22,600 --> 02:15:19,100 described them even down to thee no eyes 2757 02:15:25,030 --> 02:15:22,610 no nose no mouth no ears that that was 2758 02:15:28,510 --> 02:15:25,040 you know literally the Slenderman or the 2759 02:15:31,300 --> 02:15:28,520 Slenderman that she saw but I will say 2760 02:15:34,630 --> 02:15:31,310 that the vast majority of cases it still 2761 02:15:37,180 --> 02:15:34,640 is just one entity but there are cases 2762 02:15:39,070 --> 02:15:37,190 like the one that Robyn investigated you 2763 02:15:43,360 --> 02:15:39,080 know where we're talking possibly dozens 2764 02:15:44,279 --> 02:15:43,370 in that case and the the other part I 2765 02:15:47,579 --> 02:15:44,289 got 2766 02:15:49,169 --> 02:15:47,589 a couple of emails once we announced 2767 02:15:52,469 --> 02:15:49,179 that you were coming on the show and we 2768 02:15:56,039 --> 02:15:52,479 were gonna discuss this book and in the 2769 02:15:59,399 --> 02:15:56,049 emails they bout two different people 2770 02:16:03,329 --> 02:15:59,409 but saying the same thing that Slender 2771 02:16:06,119 --> 02:16:03,339 Man is not real why do you want to 2772 02:16:11,579 --> 02:16:06,129 entertain this and I had to step back 2773 02:16:14,099 --> 02:16:11,589 and say to myself is it that if somebody 2774 02:16:15,869 --> 02:16:14,109 takes the time to write an email Nick as 2775 02:16:21,179 --> 02:16:15,879 you know we're all busy Nick and you 2776 02:16:23,429 --> 02:16:21,189 understand this so I responded back and 2777 02:16:27,359 --> 02:16:23,439 replied back it what do you mean it's 2778 02:16:31,519 --> 02:16:27,369 not real we have crazy incidents around 2779 02:16:33,540 --> 02:16:31,529 the country that are happening tragic 2780 02:16:36,629 --> 02:16:33,550 incidents that are happening around the 2781 02:16:38,639 --> 02:16:36,639 country where Slenderman is real to 2782 02:16:41,700 --> 02:16:38,649 these people and certainly in pop 2783 02:16:45,899 --> 02:16:41,710 culture it is real Slenderman is copy 2784 02:16:48,779 --> 02:16:45,909 written right this is not some folklore 2785 02:16:53,219 --> 02:16:48,789 thing this is something that has 2786 02:16:56,219 --> 02:16:53,229 manifested itself into reality and we 2787 02:16:58,529 --> 02:16:56,229 have something here that needs to be 2788 02:17:00,929 --> 02:16:58,539 discussed it needs to be talked about 2789 02:17:04,169 --> 02:17:00,939 when somebody says Slenderman is a real 2790 02:17:06,629 --> 02:17:04,179 what is your response well no I mean 2791 02:17:08,849 --> 02:17:06,639 that's a good question because you know 2792 02:17:10,979 --> 02:17:08,859 when you when you sort of look at it 2793 02:17:13,169 --> 02:17:10,989 from the outside if you're not sort of 2794 02:17:15,269 --> 02:17:13,179 fully aware of the entire phenomenon I 2795 02:17:17,790 --> 02:17:15,279 can understand why people say well this 2796 02:17:21,779 --> 02:17:17,800 was just a contest you know online and 2797 02:17:24,149 --> 02:17:21,789 so how can it be real now before we get 2798 02:17:26,639 --> 02:17:24,159 to the paranormal side of it if you just 2799 02:17:29,490 --> 02:17:26,649 look at it from the angle of people 2800 02:17:31,439 --> 02:17:29,500 who's you know mindset is kind of 2801 02:17:36,149 --> 02:17:31,449 crumbled and they cannot distinguish 2802 02:17:38,370 --> 02:17:36,159 between reality and fiction you know for 2803 02:17:40,589 --> 02:17:38,380 example like the girls in Walker ship 2804 02:17:44,399 --> 02:17:40,599 you know they were clearly mentally 2805 02:17:47,189 --> 02:17:44,409 psychologically unhinged but for them 2806 02:17:49,799 --> 02:17:47,199 you're as you said you know they fully 2807 02:17:52,830 --> 02:17:49,809 believed in the existence of the 2808 02:17:55,290 --> 02:17:52,840 Slenderman you know the the other girls 2809 02:17:58,140 --> 02:17:55,300 the one who tried to kill a mother with 2810 02:18:00,150 --> 02:17:58,150 a with a with a knife in Ohio 2811 02:18:03,270 --> 02:18:00,160 the girl who burned down the house in 2812 02:18:05,880 --> 02:18:03,280 Florida just not long after that in 2813 02:18:08,690 --> 02:18:05,890 those cases you know both girls were 2814 02:18:11,430 --> 02:18:08,700 heavily involved in the Slender Man 2815 02:18:15,840 --> 02:18:11,440 phenomenon and for a lot of these kids 2816 02:18:18,600 --> 02:18:15,850 it is all too real now on the other side 2817 02:18:21,690 --> 02:18:18,610 of things is the thought-form slash 2818 02:18:24,510 --> 02:18:21,700 paranormal angle now all I can tell you 2819 02:18:26,970 --> 02:18:24,520 for sure is that people like me and 2820 02:18:28,700 --> 02:18:26,980 Robin and various other researchers like 2821 02:18:31,710 --> 02:18:28,710 David Weatherly who've looked into this 2822 02:18:36,660 --> 02:18:31,720 collectively we have dozens and dozens 2823 02:18:39,360 --> 02:18:36,670 and dozens of stories from people who've 2824 02:18:41,371 --> 02:18:39,370 spoken on the record and shared their 2825 02:18:44,130 --> 02:18:41,381 experiences where they've said they've 2826 02:18:46,770 --> 02:18:44,140 seen the Slender Man in the real world 2827 02:18:48,660 --> 02:18:46,780 and when they've looked into the 2828 02:18:50,430 --> 02:18:48,670 different theories they felt for the 2829 02:18:52,190 --> 02:18:50,440 most part they were dealing with 2830 02:18:55,170 --> 02:18:52,200 something like a thought formed the 2831 02:18:57,600 --> 02:18:55,180 collective mind projecting it outwards 2832 02:19:00,810 --> 02:18:57,610 and then it comes to life now of course 2833 02:19:02,700 --> 02:19:00,820 that theory is dictated by whether or 2834 02:19:04,320 --> 02:19:02,710 not you believe in the concept of 2835 02:19:08,220 --> 02:19:04,330 thought forms or you just think it's 2836 02:19:10,230 --> 02:19:08,230 people who become unhinged but I can you 2837 02:19:13,291 --> 02:19:10,240 know all I can tell you is that the 2838 02:19:15,690 --> 02:19:13,301 people that may David webbley and Robin 2839 02:19:18,060 --> 02:19:15,700 have spoken so come across very very 2840 02:19:22,050 --> 02:19:18,070 credible and out there just sharing 2841 02:19:25,110 --> 02:19:22,060 their stories in a lucid fashion you 2842 02:19:27,420 --> 02:19:25,120 know nothing crazy about them but what 2843 02:19:30,420 --> 02:19:27,430 they're telling is a very controversial 2844 02:19:33,390 --> 02:19:30,430 story and you know all we can do is 2845 02:19:35,791 --> 02:19:33,400 chronicle those stories and speak to the 2846 02:19:39,450 --> 02:19:35,801 witnesses and judge their characters and 2847 02:19:42,770 --> 02:19:39,460 and see where it all goes so nobody's 2848 02:19:46,831 --> 02:19:42,780 trying to you know present this as some 2849 02:19:48,961 --> 02:19:46,841 sensationalized story you know fake 2850 02:19:51,171 --> 02:19:48,971 fiction becomes fact no we're all 2851 02:19:54,450 --> 02:19:51,181 looking it from a logical perspective 2852 02:19:57,480 --> 02:19:54,460 trying to understand how for so many 2853 02:20:02,070 --> 02:19:57,490 people it has become real you know well 2854 02:20:06,930 --> 02:20:02,080 in the way before Slenderman 2855 02:20:10,200 --> 02:20:06,940 we had the Hat man and the I had read 2856 02:20:11,330 --> 02:20:10,210 and talked to I mean I heard about this 2857 02:20:15,889 --> 02:20:11,340 since I was 2858 02:20:20,030 --> 02:20:15,899 as a young kid and I the similarities 2859 02:20:23,900 --> 02:20:20,040 are spot-on the money and what is there 2860 02:20:26,810 --> 02:20:23,910 a connection there for you yeah there is 2861 02:20:28,580 --> 02:20:26,820 I mean if you look at the hat man you 2862 02:20:31,340 --> 02:20:28,590 know he's like the shadowy figure that 2863 02:20:33,679 --> 02:20:31,350 wears a like a black fedora hat well 2864 02:20:35,210 --> 02:20:33,689 that's extremely close to what a lot of 2865 02:20:36,920 --> 02:20:35,220 people reports in the man in black 2866 02:20:37,550 --> 02:20:36,930 stories you know they wear these black 2867 02:20:39,889 --> 02:20:37,560 suits 2868 02:20:42,110 --> 02:20:39,899 they're often skinny and pale and they 2869 02:20:45,080 --> 02:20:42,120 don't look fully human and they still 2870 02:20:46,820 --> 02:20:45,090 wear these old fedoras you can draw 2871 02:20:49,280 --> 02:20:46,830 parallels as well we'd like the 2872 02:20:51,320 --> 02:20:49,290 black-eyed children who you know they 2873 02:20:53,150 --> 02:20:51,330 wear black hoodies they're pale they 2874 02:20:56,870 --> 02:20:53,160 knock on the door and trying to find a 2875 02:20:59,240 --> 02:20:56,880 way in just like the man in black the 2876 02:21:00,590 --> 02:20:59,250 hat man very often manifests in people's 2877 02:21:02,660 --> 02:21:00,600 bedrooms in the middle of the night 2878 02:21:05,210 --> 02:21:02,670 there are cases of the black-eyed 2879 02:21:08,960 --> 02:21:05,220 children doing the same thing you can 2880 02:21:10,940 --> 02:21:08,970 find a lot of mirror images if you like 2881 02:21:13,250 --> 02:21:10,950 between all of these phenomena the 2882 02:21:16,490 --> 02:21:13,260 shadow people the hat man black-eyed 2883 02:21:21,710 --> 02:21:16,500 kids many black women and black stories 2884 02:21:23,389 --> 02:21:21,720 they're all crossover phenomena and the 2885 02:21:26,210 --> 02:21:23,399 Slender Man is probably you know the 2886 02:21:28,070 --> 02:21:26,220 latest addition to it I did think of one 2887 02:21:30,050 --> 02:21:28,080 point the whole black-eyed children-- 2888 02:21:32,179 --> 02:21:30,060 was going to kind of explode phenomena 2889 02:21:33,590 --> 02:21:32,189 was going to explode in the same way the 2890 02:21:36,260 --> 02:21:33,600 Slender Man Dee but he didn't quite 2891 02:21:39,230 --> 02:21:36,270 reach that peak but he that certainly 2892 02:21:41,570 --> 02:21:39,240 has a huge following where you know 2893 02:21:44,240 --> 02:21:41,580 there are lot of fictional stories 2894 02:21:46,099 --> 02:21:44,250 online about the black-eyed kids and 2895 02:21:49,400 --> 02:21:46,109 novels you know Kindle books that kind 2896 02:21:51,560 --> 02:21:49,410 of thing but there's also a substantial 2897 02:21:54,110 --> 02:21:51,570 number people who claim to have seen the 2898 02:21:56,929 --> 02:21:54,120 black-eyed kids in the real world so you 2899 02:21:58,880 --> 02:21:56,939 know that the the two sides are very 2900 02:22:02,360 --> 02:21:58,890 similar you know whether we're talking 2901 02:22:05,240 --> 02:22:02,370 about the Slender Man the Hat man the 2902 02:22:07,130 --> 02:22:05,250 black-eyed kids you can find the 2903 02:22:10,370 --> 02:22:07,140 fictional side and there you can find 2904 02:22:13,010 --> 02:22:10,380 the supernatural quote real side if you 2905 02:22:16,460 --> 02:22:13,020 like so I think a lot of these phenomena 2906 02:22:18,980 --> 02:22:16,470 are somehow interlinked you know 2907 02:22:20,389 --> 02:22:18,990 possibly from the same source but we're 2908 02:22:23,110 --> 02:22:20,399 just not fully understanding what that 2909 02:22:26,979 --> 02:22:23,120 source really is do you think 2910 02:22:30,160 --> 02:22:26,989 and I've seen this now pop up a bunch 2911 02:22:32,830 --> 02:22:30,170 here in Twitter and I understand this 2912 02:22:36,280 --> 02:22:32,840 kind of concern do you think that the 2913 02:22:38,170 --> 02:22:36,290 phenomena you have the idea of it in the 2914 02:22:41,769 --> 02:22:38,180 front end but do you think that the 2915 02:22:45,160 --> 02:22:41,779 phenomena could be exploited by some 2916 02:22:47,860 --> 02:22:45,170 government program like MKULTRA where 2917 02:22:52,360 --> 02:22:47,870 they're taking the the mass audience and 2918 02:22:57,639 --> 02:22:52,370 the idea further to to cause a 2919 02:23:00,070 --> 02:22:57,649 disturbance a ripple well I haven't seen 2920 02:23:02,590 --> 02:23:00,080 evidence of that but what I would say is 2921 02:23:05,500 --> 02:23:02,600 that if you you know if somebody in 2922 02:23:10,530 --> 02:23:05,510 government or even you know in in the 2923 02:23:14,200 --> 02:23:10,540 medical community wanted to see how 2924 02:23:17,040 --> 02:23:14,210 fictional entities can impact upon the 2925 02:23:20,290 --> 02:23:17,050 mindset of massive numbers of people 2926 02:23:22,630 --> 02:23:20,300 there is no better phenomenon to 2927 02:23:25,090 --> 02:23:22,640 investigate or study than the Slenderman 2928 02:23:28,469 --> 02:23:25,100 phenomenon because that gives you all 2929 02:23:31,330 --> 02:23:28,479 the examples and answers that you need 2930 02:23:35,050 --> 02:23:31,340 and I think he does it does demonstrate 2931 02:23:37,300 --> 02:23:35,060 how the human mind can be affected and 2932 02:23:39,969 --> 02:23:37,310 manipulated in some of the worst ways 2933 02:23:42,309 --> 02:23:39,979 possible in fact there are no good ways 2934 02:23:44,460 --> 02:23:42,319 in which the you know the Slender Man 2935 02:23:47,320 --> 02:23:44,470 phenomena has not done anything positive 2936 02:23:50,290 --> 02:23:47,330 okay may have excited a lot of people 2937 02:23:53,070 --> 02:23:50,300 reading the stories things like that but 2938 02:23:55,809 --> 02:23:53,080 really there's nothing positive 2939 02:23:59,530 --> 02:23:55,819 everything that sort of captured the 2940 02:24:03,849 --> 02:23:59,540 attention of the media is 100% negative 2941 02:24:06,460 --> 02:24:03,859 so you know you can learn a lot from how 2942 02:24:08,229 --> 02:24:06,470 the mindset of people is actually 2943 02:24:12,250 --> 02:24:08,239 changing you know in relation to this 2944 02:24:14,110 --> 02:24:12,260 phenomenon and you can actually you know 2945 02:24:16,660 --> 02:24:14,120 spice studying these people you can 2946 02:24:19,929 --> 02:24:16,670 learn a lot as to how the human mind can 2947 02:24:22,990 --> 02:24:19,939 be almost frightening ly quickly can be 2948 02:24:25,929 --> 02:24:23,000 altered you know in radical ways well 2949 02:24:26,260 --> 02:24:25,939 when you have and we've always enjoyed 2950 02:24:30,099 --> 02:24:26,270 that 2951 02:24:31,970 --> 02:24:30,109 whether it's Edgar Allen Poe or HP 2952 02:24:35,631 --> 02:24:31,980 Lovecraft or 2953 02:24:38,360 --> 02:24:35,641 Stephen King we all like a good scary 2954 02:24:41,750 --> 02:24:38,370 story that's what we do you turn down 2955 02:24:45,381 --> 02:24:41,760 the lights he crawl into bed and you try 2956 02:24:49,460 --> 02:24:45,391 to get terrified you know that this 2957 02:24:52,881 --> 02:24:49,470 isn't anything new but something with 2958 02:24:53,690 --> 02:24:52,891 slender man took off completely out of 2959 02:24:56,690 --> 02:24:53,700 control 2960 02:24:59,870 --> 02:24:56,700 and I don't know if it's the story if 2961 02:25:02,660 --> 02:24:59,880 it's the internet or if it's the imagery 2962 02:25:05,841 --> 02:25:02,670 but something got triggered there and 2963 02:25:09,470 --> 02:25:05,851 and I'm not sure what caused it but it 2964 02:25:11,480 --> 02:25:09,480 certainly worked for me ya know I don't 2965 02:25:13,910 --> 02:25:11,490 think anybody really fully understands 2966 02:25:17,060 --> 02:25:13,920 how how and White's had this impact and 2967 02:25:20,660 --> 02:25:17,070 why the Slenderman ruined ruined 2968 02:25:25,060 --> 02:25:20,670 literally ruins lives but the black-eyed 2969 02:25:28,220 --> 02:25:25,070 kids don't and the Hat man doesn't but 2970 02:25:30,350 --> 02:25:28,230 so I think this there's no doubt there's 2971 02:25:32,660 --> 02:25:30,360 something unique and by saying unique I 2972 02:25:35,570 --> 02:25:32,670 don't mean in a positive way I mean in a 2973 02:25:37,671 --> 02:25:35,580 very dangerous and negative way there's 2974 02:25:40,220 --> 02:25:37,681 something unique about the Slenderman 2975 02:25:41,990 --> 02:25:40,230 the overall phenomenon you know the 2976 02:25:43,600 --> 02:25:42,000 fiction to facts and everything in 2977 02:25:47,540 --> 02:25:43,610 between 2978 02:25:51,950 --> 02:25:47,550 has created this atmosphere of sort of 2979 02:25:55,761 --> 02:25:51,960 dread fear mixed in with excitement and 2980 02:25:59,150 --> 02:25:55,771 obsession and you know it's like putting 2981 02:26:01,730 --> 02:25:59,160 a match to a stick of dynamite you know 2982 02:26:04,730 --> 02:26:01,740 and just just holding it there for a 2983 02:26:08,631 --> 02:26:04,740 while and then it suddenly explodes you 2984 02:26:10,370 --> 02:26:08,641 know and and a and brother you know the 2985 02:26:12,560 --> 02:26:10,380 research I've done I mean the books like 2986 02:26:15,020 --> 02:26:12,570 300 pages for the research I've done 2987 02:26:19,671 --> 02:26:15,030 over the last few years even I don't 2988 02:26:22,520 --> 02:26:19,681 have a full answer as to why this 2989 02:26:24,710 --> 02:26:22,530 phenomenon took off against all the 2990 02:26:27,140 --> 02:26:24,720 others that really didn't take off you 2991 02:26:29,091 --> 02:26:27,150 know why was it the Slenderman you know 2992 02:26:32,750 --> 02:26:29,101 to such a massive degree compared to 2993 02:26:35,180 --> 02:26:32,760 everything else and maybe it really was 2994 02:26:36,980 --> 02:26:35,190 just the the imagery that you know 2995 02:26:39,560 --> 02:26:36,990 caught people's attention and then it 2996 02:26:41,660 --> 02:26:39,570 was expanded upon but maybe there's a 2997 02:26:44,240 --> 02:26:41,670 more subtle angle as well that we're not 2998 02:26:45,400 --> 02:26:44,250 really seen one last question before I 2999 02:26:47,230 --> 02:26:45,410 say a good 3000 02:26:49,660 --> 02:26:47,240 and and I want to thank you in advance 3001 02:26:53,230 --> 02:26:49,670 Nick it's always amazing to us sit and 3002 02:26:59,350 --> 02:26:53,240 talk with you but with with Eric Eric 3003 02:27:02,110 --> 02:26:59,360 Knutson does he does he feel responsible 3004 02:27:04,510 --> 02:27:02,120 is there any guilt these you know does 3005 02:27:07,480 --> 02:27:04,520 he does he have any regrets for the 3006 02:27:11,679 --> 02:27:07,490 creation of Slenderman certainly I'm 3007 02:27:15,760 --> 02:27:11,689 sure he's financially just you know just 3008 02:27:19,060 --> 02:27:15,770 off the hook because of it but dizzy 3009 02:27:21,850 --> 02:27:19,070 does he ever speak about that well yeah 3010 02:27:25,300 --> 02:27:21,860 he did make a statement you know when 3011 02:27:27,790 --> 02:27:25,310 the the attack occurred you know that 3012 02:27:32,139 --> 02:27:27,800 the two girls and but you know I mean 3013 02:27:33,730 --> 02:27:32,149 but he's not responsible I mean you know 3014 02:27:37,270 --> 02:27:33,740 you cannot he cannot be held responsible 3015 02:27:40,270 --> 02:27:37,280 for creating an image and then somebody 3016 02:27:43,810 --> 02:27:40,280 decides to attack or kill someone in the 3017 02:27:46,810 --> 02:27:43,820 name of a piece of artwork you know it's 3018 02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:46,820 not like Eric Knudsen has anything you 3019 02:27:53,920 --> 02:27:49,850 know to feel guilty about at all I mean 3020 02:27:56,200 --> 02:27:53,930 you know he he can't be responsible for 3021 02:27:59,350 --> 02:27:56,210 what other people do anymore than the 3022 02:28:03,070 --> 02:27:59,360 rest of us can now whether or not it 3023 02:28:05,620 --> 02:28:03,080 plays on his mind I don't know but but 3024 02:28:07,210 --> 02:28:05,630 what I would say is that you know if 3025 02:28:11,830 --> 02:28:07,220 people are going to do things in the 3026 02:28:14,679 --> 02:28:11,840 name of this or that you know we if we 3027 02:28:17,290 --> 02:28:14,689 were to blame put blame on somebody who 3028 02:28:19,210 --> 02:28:17,300 created a fictional character and then 3029 02:28:20,590 --> 02:28:19,220 somebody said well I'm gonna you know 3030 02:28:22,840 --> 02:28:20,600 kill someone in the name of this 3031 02:28:24,400 --> 02:28:22,850 fictional character of that one you know 3032 02:28:26,440 --> 02:28:24,410 there would never be a fictional story 3033 02:28:28,900 --> 02:28:26,450 ever written again for fear of being 3034 02:28:32,260 --> 02:28:28,910 pursued up to the eyeballs you know 3035 02:28:36,850 --> 02:28:32,270 right so I think we need to you use 3036 02:28:38,469 --> 02:28:36,860 common sense from this aspect that that 3037 02:28:40,240 --> 02:28:38,479 no just because somebody creates 3038 02:28:42,910 --> 02:28:40,250 something you know they cannot be 3039 02:28:45,460 --> 02:28:42,920 responsible for what a deranged person 3040 02:28:48,639 --> 02:28:45,470 does you know yeah I think about what 3041 02:28:52,260 --> 02:28:48,649 Rob Halford went through you remember 3042 02:28:56,170 --> 02:28:52,270 when he you know yeah same situation 3043 02:28:57,610 --> 02:28:56,180 here and you know I spoke to him about 3044 02:28:58,310 --> 02:28:57,620 that at length and he said that just 3045 02:29:01,341 --> 02:28:58,320 wore him 3046 02:29:05,780 --> 02:29:01,351 down you know getting taken into court 3047 02:29:07,251 --> 02:29:05,790 because of you know music but it was 3048 02:29:07,910 --> 02:29:07,261 what they were saying about him 3049 02:29:10,430 --> 02:29:07,920 personally 3050 02:29:14,120 --> 02:29:10,440 and what the music was doing to society 3051 02:29:17,270 --> 02:29:14,130 he had to sit and listen to that over 3052 02:29:20,330 --> 02:29:17,280 and over again and and I was just 3053 02:29:23,150 --> 02:29:20,340 wondering if if Eric had has considered 3054 02:29:25,190 --> 02:29:23,160 that part of it and could he be - you 3055 02:29:28,940 --> 02:29:25,200 know dragged into court like Rob Halford 3056 02:29:31,131 --> 02:29:28,950 was um I honestly don't know I mean none 3057 02:29:33,501 --> 02:29:31,141 of that's happened I mean I think if 3058 02:29:35,360 --> 02:29:33,511 something like that was to have happened 3059 02:29:37,580 --> 02:29:35,370 he would have happened you know in the 3060 02:29:40,251 --> 02:29:37,590 most notorious case that one of the two 3061 02:29:43,370 --> 02:29:40,261 girls in Waukesha the fact that you know 3062 02:29:45,860 --> 02:29:43,380 it was not even a part of the case I 3063 02:29:48,770 --> 02:29:45,870 think that you know the the core quite 3064 02:29:51,740 --> 02:29:48,780 rightly realized that just because Eric 3065 02:29:54,860 --> 02:29:51,750 Knudsen created the imagery you know he 3066 02:29:58,100 --> 02:29:54,870 had no role whatsoever in any or any 3067 02:30:01,430 --> 02:29:58,110 part whatsoever you know in terms of 3068 02:30:06,430 --> 02:30:01,440 having an impact on this I mean it was 3069 02:30:09,200 --> 02:30:06,440 just down to the girls you know so but 3070 02:30:12,140 --> 02:30:09,210 you know I mean we you cannot sort of 3071 02:30:14,001 --> 02:30:12,150 police everybody you know and what they 3072 02:30:17,120 --> 02:30:14,011 might do in the name of whatever 3073 02:30:21,980 --> 02:30:17,130 otherwise society would grind to a halt 3074 02:30:25,211 --> 02:30:21,990 know so it's but again he could these 3075 02:30:28,730 --> 02:30:25,221 questions they're good questions and 3076 02:30:32,150 --> 02:30:28,740 what's important is that we're asking 3077 02:30:34,430 --> 02:30:32,160 questions being asked that don't relate 3078 02:30:36,291 --> 02:30:34,440 to any other aspects of the paranormal 3079 02:30:38,390 --> 02:30:36,301 world at all again this is what makes 3080 02:30:40,341 --> 02:30:38,400 the Slenderman unique you would never be 3081 02:30:42,051 --> 02:30:40,351 asking me these questions which are 3082 02:30:44,120 --> 02:30:42,061 quite right to ask in terms of 3083 02:30:46,240 --> 02:30:44,130 Slenderman but you never asks me these 3084 02:30:49,551 --> 02:30:46,250 questions in relation to Bigfoot's 3085 02:30:51,530 --> 02:30:49,561 aliens or the Loch Ness monster right 3086 02:30:55,910 --> 02:30:51,540 because it because there's been no 3087 02:30:58,580 --> 02:30:55,920 evidence or stories or events which have 3088 02:31:01,640 --> 02:30:58,590 impacted on those paranormal phenomena 3089 02:31:04,190 --> 02:31:01,650 as I have with the Slenderman so again 3090 02:31:06,740 --> 02:31:04,200 you know the uniqueness of the questions 3091 02:31:08,961 --> 02:31:06,750 is something that is unique you know to 3092 02:31:12,860 --> 02:31:08,971 the Slenderman yeah tonight I'm gonna go 3093 02:31:19,680 --> 02:31:17,370 okay again thank you we're three quick 3094 02:31:23,761 --> 02:31:19,690 questions one work and everybody get the 3095 02:31:26,970 --> 02:31:23,771 book books the Slender Man mysteries you 3096 02:31:28,470 --> 02:31:26,980 can get it from Amazon online and most 3097 02:31:30,890 --> 02:31:28,480 of the Barnes and Nobles have got a 3098 02:31:33,780 --> 02:31:30,900 couple of copies in stock as well if you 3099 02:31:37,650 --> 02:31:33,790 four people still enjoy work rambling 3100 02:31:40,801 --> 02:31:37,660 around bookstores and what is the next 3101 02:31:43,051 --> 02:31:40,811 book what are you working on now and 3102 02:31:44,910 --> 02:31:43,061 well I've actually got my fifth Manning 3103 02:31:46,200 --> 02:31:44,920 black book outs next month 3104 02:31:48,150 --> 02:31:46,210 actually I'm here in the fifth it's 3105 02:31:51,290 --> 02:31:48,160 called the black diary and it's like a 3106 02:31:54,330 --> 02:31:51,300 journal type approach of all the weird 3107 02:31:56,940 --> 02:31:54,340 MIB stuff are investigated over the last 3108 02:32:03,511 --> 02:31:56,950 three years or so yeah I can't wait to 3109 02:32:06,150 --> 02:32:03,521 get that one were you speaking the next 3110 02:32:08,670 --> 02:32:06,160 one is actually not till July I'll be 3111 02:32:11,131 --> 02:32:08,680 speaking at it's like a question asked 3112 02:32:14,160 --> 02:32:11,141 answer forum at the Dallas Public 3113 02:32:16,020 --> 02:32:14,170 Library in July and be sort of a little 3114 02:32:18,960 --> 02:32:16,030 bit departure for me she won't be a 3115 02:32:21,360 --> 02:32:18,970 conference with with lectures it'll be a 3116 02:32:22,860 --> 02:32:21,370 panel and the audience will be made up 3117 02:32:26,310 --> 02:32:22,870 of people you know want to come along 3118 02:32:31,110 --> 02:32:26,320 and ask questions of the UFO phenomenon 3119 02:32:32,940 --> 02:32:31,120 any conferences coming up for you no 3120 02:32:35,370 --> 02:32:32,950 actually I've got a quiet period until 3121 02:32:38,490 --> 02:32:35,380 later this year I think the first one 3122 02:32:41,341 --> 02:32:38,500 will be the the Mothman festival in the 3123 02:32:46,490 --> 02:32:41,351 second weekend in September then the 3124 02:32:52,970 --> 02:32:49,230 forget which one it is now is it on your 3125 02:32:56,551 --> 02:32:52,980 website yes it is yeah oh it's all there 3126 02:33:00,990 --> 02:32:56,561 thank you so much Nick just just amazing 3127 02:33:03,360 --> 02:33:01,000 what gets you on in next month after the 3128 02:33:04,920 --> 02:33:03,370 next book five for the men and black 3129 02:33:08,070 --> 02:33:04,930 comes out I really look forward to it 3130 02:33:10,620 --> 02:33:08,080 thank you so much man thank you thank 3131 02:33:12,390 --> 02:33:10,630 you Nick Redfern everybody his his 3132 02:33:15,620 --> 02:33:12,400 website's right there Jimmy Church radio 3133 02:33:17,370 --> 02:33:15,630 calm Nick Redford 40 and at blogspot.com 3134 02:33:19,400 --> 02:33:17,380 links are right there 3135 02:33:22,870 --> 02:33:19,410 fade to black I will open up the phone 3136 02:33:25,210 --> 02:33:22,880 mine's and take your phone calls next 3137 02:33:38,950 --> 02:33:25,220 stay with me I'll be right back 3138 02:33:42,470 --> 02:33:38,960 [Music] 3139 02:33:44,930 --> 02:33:42,480 Hey look a box here and you are 3140 02:33:48,461 --> 02:33:44,940 listening to my boy Jimmy Church Oh 3141 02:33:55,349 --> 02:33:52,400 this my popular opinion reading a book 3142 02:34:01,349 --> 02:33:55,359 will not make you smarter 3143 02:34:07,510 --> 02:34:05,620 hurricanes earthquakes wildfires this 3144 02:34:09,969 --> 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02:35:56,030 15% off of your order today 3186 02:36:01,810 --> 02:35:59,780 Bagley tapi hey can we talk about 3187 02:36:04,930 --> 02:36:01,820 something serious for a minute your age 3188 02:36:07,420 --> 02:36:04,940 getting old has its perks but remember 3189 02:36:09,430 --> 02:36:07,430 being a few years younger you know your 3190 02:36:11,290 --> 02:36:09,440 hair was thicker you didn't have so many 3191 02:36:13,300 --> 02:36:11,300 wrinkles that extra weight wasn't 3192 02:36:15,580 --> 02:36:13,310 haunting you and you just felt better 3193 02:36:18,220 --> 02:36:15,590 well we can't turn back the clocks and 3194 02:36:20,410 --> 02:36:18,230 go back 10 or 15 years but you can start 3195 02:36:23,560 --> 02:36:20,420 feeling and looking 10 or 15 years 3196 02:36:25,570 --> 02:36:23,570 younger with nature's youth RSF it's a 3197 02:36:27,250 --> 02:36:25,580 doctor formulated daily supplement that 3198 02:36:28,980 --> 02:36:27,260 helps your body maintain its peak 3199 02:36:31,630 --> 02:36:28,990 performance and fight the aging process 3200 02:36:32,980 --> 02:36:31,640 imagine sleeping better looking better 3201 02:36:35,560 --> 02:36:32,990 and feeling better 3202 02:36:37,540 --> 02:36:35,570 see how Nature's youth RSF has helped 3203 02:36:40,240 --> 02:36:37,550 thousands of people just like you at 3204 02:36:42,670 --> 02:36:40,250 nature's youth calm nature's youth calm 3205 02:36:44,110 --> 02:36:42,680 the holidays are coming imagine how it 3206 02:36:46,000 --> 02:36:44,120 will feel when your family and friends 3207 02:36:48,370 --> 02:36:46,010 are asking you what you did to look so 3208 02:36:50,680 --> 02:36:48,380 good your secret will be nature's youth 3209 02:36:53,140 --> 02:36:50,690 RSF it's time to start looking better 3210 02:36:55,210 --> 02:36:53,150 and feeling better learn more in order 3211 02:37:05,510 --> 02:36:55,220 your nature's use RSS at nature's youth 3212 02:37:10,559 --> 02:37:09,210 it's not a lifestyle we chose we were 3213 02:37:21,420 --> 02:37:10,569 born this way 3214 02:37:24,810 --> 02:37:21,430 kera radio.com this is KJ CR Jimmy's 3215 02:37:24,820 --> 02:37:36,150 [Music] 3216 02:37:42,440 --> 02:37:39,870 ha ha hey fade to black 3217 02:37:46,051 --> 02:37:42,450 Thank You Nick Redfern great great 3218 02:37:49,650 --> 02:37:46,061 conversation got some audio gremlins 3219 02:37:51,480 --> 02:37:49,660 tonight and Gabriel just said I wonder 3220 02:37:54,180 --> 02:37:51,490 what Jimmy's doing a let's play game 3221 02:37:58,710 --> 02:37:54,190 what's he doing off-camera and I was 3222 02:38:00,390 --> 02:37:58,720 replacing a cable and for one of the 3223 02:38:04,020 --> 02:38:00,400 phone lines so I'm gonna see if this is 3224 02:38:05,460 --> 02:38:04,030 actually working so it's let's it for 3225 02:38:08,910 --> 02:38:05,470 work hi you're live on fade to black 3226 02:38:16,950 --> 02:38:08,920 who's calling yep from Sacramento the 3227 02:38:18,780 --> 02:38:16,960 cable fix worked can you hear me yep so 3228 02:38:19,830 --> 02:38:18,790 I was once old and the commercials were 3229 02:38:21,360 --> 02:38:19,840 playing I could hear you in the 3230 02:38:23,820 --> 02:38:21,370 background the commercials going hello 3231 02:38:28,801 --> 02:38:23,830 can you hear me hello and it happened 3232 02:38:30,511 --> 02:38:28,811 like three times I was like ok see I was 3233 02:38:33,150 --> 02:38:30,521 waiting for you to respond and you 3234 02:38:36,690 --> 02:38:33,160 didn't so I didn't think the cable work 3235 02:38:39,180 --> 02:38:36,700 see I did that for you Deb so you could 3236 02:38:42,390 --> 02:38:39,190 actually say yes I'm here but you didn't 3237 02:38:44,100 --> 02:38:42,400 say anything so I thanks for that the 3238 02:38:47,280 --> 02:38:44,110 commercials were playing I know the 3239 02:38:55,261 --> 02:38:47,290 commercials are playing and you were in 3240 02:38:58,430 --> 02:38:55,271 the background you're here now and and 3241 02:39:00,631 --> 02:38:58,440 we're good yeah so what time you on oh 3242 02:39:03,091 --> 02:39:00,641 boy what's on my mind can you hear me 3243 02:39:05,970 --> 02:39:03,101 yes I can - how can I can really hurry 3244 02:39:08,160 --> 02:39:05,980 I'm sorry so the other night the other 3245 02:39:10,051 --> 02:39:08,170 night you were saying and I've totally 3246 02:39:12,570 --> 02:39:10,061 remembered this and it really related to 3247 02:39:14,820 --> 02:39:12,580 what we were talking about tonight you 3248 02:39:16,801 --> 02:39:14,830 said you could literally go in Google 3249 02:39:18,360 --> 02:39:16,811 something and by the time you go back to 3250 02:39:19,860 --> 02:39:18,370 YouTube there'll be all kinds of threads 3251 02:39:21,631 --> 02:39:19,870 on what you just googled that's right 3252 02:39:24,301 --> 02:39:21,641 because we're constantly being monitored 3253 02:39:26,100 --> 02:39:24,311 and we're being profiled that's right so 3254 02:39:28,290 --> 02:39:26,110 the people who are doing this why 3255 02:39:30,030 --> 02:39:28,300 couldn't they use that technology and we 3256 02:39:34,261 --> 02:39:30,040 don't know how advanced that technology 3257 02:39:37,230 --> 02:39:34,271 is to profile and use it against people 3258 02:39:38,850 --> 02:39:37,240 who are interested in Slenderman because 3259 02:39:41,910 --> 02:39:38,860 their whole thing is create a problem 3260 02:39:44,070 --> 02:39:41,920 then create the solution then restrict 3261 02:39:45,420 --> 02:39:44,080 our rights and what community are they 3262 02:39:50,001 --> 02:39:45,430 targeting on the Internet 3263 02:39:54,110 --> 02:39:50,011 of course of course 3264 02:39:56,350 --> 02:39:54,120 I mean that that's not a question that's 3265 02:39:59,810 --> 02:39:56,360 a statement 3266 02:40:01,610 --> 02:39:59,820 yeah well but the only difference 3267 02:40:03,740 --> 02:40:01,620 between Slenderman and all the other 3268 02:40:08,631 --> 02:40:03,750 paranormal things too is he was created 3269 02:40:10,820 --> 02:40:08,641 on the Internet yes yes sinister forces 3270 02:40:12,261 --> 02:40:10,830 or it could be our consciousness feeding 3271 02:40:15,921 --> 02:40:12,271 it right right right 3272 02:40:19,970 --> 02:40:15,931 and and and I definitely a combination 3273 02:40:22,461 --> 02:40:19,980 of the both but the you know some mad 3274 02:40:25,701 --> 02:40:22,471 you know German scientists you know 3275 02:40:28,430 --> 02:40:25,711 figuring out a way to plug into our to 3276 02:40:31,121 --> 02:40:28,440 our psyche effectively right without 3277 02:40:35,480 --> 02:40:31,131 without fail a fail-safe way of doing it 3278 02:40:38,831 --> 02:40:35,490 and figuring that out because it appears 3279 02:40:42,980 --> 02:40:38,841 that Slenderman worked right that 3280 02:40:44,360 --> 02:40:42,990 combination it worked you know it's it's 3281 02:40:49,461 --> 02:40:44,370 just an incredible thing to have 3282 02:40:51,350 --> 02:40:49,471 witnessed and to see this manifest I 3283 02:40:52,520 --> 02:40:51,360 keep saying manifest because that's I I 3284 02:40:54,440 --> 02:40:52,530 can't think of another word right now 3285 02:40:56,081 --> 02:40:54,450 but have it manifest into pop culture 3286 02:40:59,690 --> 02:40:56,091 where now crimes are being committed 3287 02:41:02,661 --> 02:40:59,700 that's crazy to me so is it that 3288 02:41:06,740 --> 02:41:02,671 effective you know I don't I don't know 3289 02:41:08,541 --> 02:41:06,750 but to bring up a couple of questions 3290 02:41:11,661 --> 02:41:08,551 could it be a government program well 3291 02:41:13,761 --> 02:41:11,671 that's certainly interesting could could 3292 02:41:20,110 --> 02:41:13,771 they have figured out a way you know 3293 02:41:24,520 --> 02:41:20,120 that Stamford University UCLA MKULTRA 3294 02:41:27,680 --> 02:41:24,530 psychological program of mind-control 3295 02:41:32,631 --> 02:41:27,690 actually be in play I know it seems like 3296 02:41:35,121 --> 02:41:32,641 a stretch but it it it's working you 3297 02:41:36,680 --> 02:41:35,131 know and that's all most of that woman 3298 02:41:39,020 --> 02:41:36,690 actually hear her computers say now 3299 02:41:40,850 --> 02:41:39,030 we're friends yes wonder man I mean when 3300 02:41:42,951 --> 02:41:40,860 you freak out if your laptop talk to you 3301 02:41:46,100 --> 02:41:42,961 yeah I had that happen today 3302 02:41:49,810 --> 02:41:46,110 I had that happen to me I brought this 3303 02:41:53,270 --> 02:41:49,820 up before I think I've mentioned it but 3304 02:41:57,711 --> 02:41:53,280 back in the day and I know this sounds 3305 02:42:01,700 --> 02:41:57,721 crazy but back in the day I went to a 3306 02:42:04,070 --> 02:42:01,710 website that I was war 3307 02:42:07,580 --> 02:42:04,080 about I was told by some I'm not gonna 3308 02:42:10,190 --> 02:42:07,590 say who I'm not gonna get to specifics 3309 02:42:12,440 --> 02:42:10,200 but I went to the website and it 3310 02:42:16,280 --> 02:42:12,450 immediately and I thought it was a joke 3311 02:42:20,300 --> 02:42:16,290 and this thing flashed up on the screen 3312 02:42:23,570 --> 02:42:20,310 and this I'm talking about 1995-96 right 3313 02:42:27,740 --> 02:42:23,580 in there and this thing flashed up on 3314 02:42:29,660 --> 02:42:27,750 the screen with my name on it and I 3315 02:42:33,650 --> 02:42:29,670 thought now how did they how do they 3316 02:42:35,900 --> 02:42:33,660 know this and then there's something 3317 02:42:36,950 --> 02:42:35,910 else popped up on the screen and and it 3318 02:42:41,810 --> 02:42:36,960 kind of freaked me out 3319 02:42:44,330 --> 02:42:41,820 and then my screen went staticky like 3320 02:42:49,130 --> 02:42:44,340 like a television which I've never seen 3321 02:42:54,340 --> 02:42:49,140 on it was digital but it went funky and 3322 02:42:58,190 --> 02:42:54,350 then went blank and now I don't know 3323 02:43:00,020 --> 02:42:58,200 what caused it it wasn't a virus I don't 3324 02:43:03,650 --> 02:43:00,030 even think viruses were around back then 3325 02:43:05,630 --> 02:43:03,660 at least not like this but but I had to 3326 02:43:09,830 --> 02:43:05,640 have the computer repaired and it never 3327 02:43:12,890 --> 02:43:09,840 really got back to normal and I can tell 3328 02:43:19,520 --> 02:43:12,900 you this I never went back to that site 3329 02:43:24,170 --> 02:43:19,530 I my memory says a couple of weeks later 3330 02:43:27,320 --> 02:43:24,180 I got a message and I don't remember how 3331 02:43:29,090 --> 02:43:27,330 that was relayed to me from that web 3332 02:43:31,820 --> 02:43:29,100 site saying that you know we're watching 3333 02:43:34,460 --> 02:43:31,830 him there's something to that and and 3334 02:43:36,290 --> 02:43:34,470 and back then the the Internet for me 3335 02:43:40,600 --> 02:43:36,300 was such a strange place and so 3336 02:43:45,430 --> 02:43:40,610 mysterious because it was right it 3337 02:43:48,920 --> 02:43:45,440 messed with me and from that day forward 3338 02:43:51,580 --> 02:43:48,930 and I still practice this to this day I 3339 02:43:57,980 --> 02:43:51,590 have friends they get viruses I don't 3340 02:44:00,350 --> 02:43:57,990 why I don't click on nothing I don't I 3341 02:44:02,600 --> 02:44:00,360 don't click on anything inside of an 3342 02:44:07,520 --> 02:44:02,610 email I don't click on a site that I 3343 02:44:10,400 --> 02:44:07,530 don't deliberately go to AI don't steer 3344 02:44:12,200 --> 02:44:10,410 off the path I have friends my daughters 3345 02:44:14,480 --> 02:44:12,210 get viruses right there out there 3346 02:44:16,900 --> 02:44:14,490 clicking around and you know trying to 3347 02:44:19,430 --> 02:44:16,910 find the 3348 02:44:21,110 --> 02:44:19,440 whatever some video whatever you know 3349 02:44:24,200 --> 02:44:21,120 you're out there goofing around you're 3350 02:44:28,700 --> 02:44:24,210 gonna encounter that so I do not I don't 3351 02:44:30,710 --> 02:44:28,710 get viruses I just don't click I just 3352 02:44:32,900 --> 02:44:30,720 don't hey Deb I got like 15 phone calls 3353 02:44:34,820 --> 02:44:32,910 here I got to get to 3354 02:44:36,620 --> 02:44:34,830 I just hope because Slenderman is so 3355 02:44:38,210 --> 02:44:36,630 negative we don't give it any attention 3356 02:44:39,650 --> 02:44:38,220 and we keep it off of on stellar and 3357 02:44:40,011 --> 02:44:39,660 I'll let you go Jimmy I'll talk to you 3358 02:44:44,360 --> 02:44:40,021 dad 3359 02:44:45,650 --> 02:44:44,370 thank you so much okay bye bye bye hi 3360 02:44:57,070 --> 02:44:45,660 your life I'm fade to black who's 3361 02:44:59,420 --> 02:44:57,080 calling you're live I can hear you 3 2 1 3362 02:45:03,670 --> 02:44:59,430 hi you're live on fade to black who's 3363 02:45:07,310 --> 02:45:03,680 calling you're live 3364 02:45:10,340 --> 02:45:07,320 wow that's strange I might actually have 3365 02:45:16,040 --> 02:45:10,350 a swapped out for on cable hi you're 3366 02:45:16,990 --> 02:45:16,050 live on fade to black who's calling how 3367 02:45:19,850 --> 02:45:17,000 are you man 3368 02:45:21,170 --> 02:45:19,860 I'm good I'm good I was just calling 3369 02:45:25,160 --> 02:45:21,180 because I heard your thing about the air 3370 02:45:27,170 --> 02:45:25,170 Wednesday back there and exactly would 3371 02:45:29,420 --> 02:45:27,180 have works back then but back in the 90s 3372 02:45:33,560 --> 02:45:29,430 I can tell you I can tell you how it 3373 02:45:35,960 --> 02:45:33,570 probably did which is back then programs 3374 02:45:37,700 --> 02:45:35,970 were not sandbox meaning that they 3375 02:45:39,200 --> 02:45:37,710 weren't in their own closed environments 3376 02:45:40,430 --> 02:45:39,210 where everything happens within that 3377 02:45:43,011 --> 02:45:40,440 environment stays within that 3378 02:45:45,190 --> 02:45:43,021 environment so it can't we just read a 3379 02:45:49,250 --> 02:45:45,200 simple text file on your computer now 3380 02:45:51,400 --> 02:45:49,260 they call it a DX diag but back then it 3381 02:45:54,590 --> 02:45:51,410 was called something else in Windows 95 3382 02:45:55,310 --> 02:45:54,600 and it just bit redisplayed your first 3383 02:45:57,350 --> 02:45:55,320 and last name 3384 02:45:59,420 --> 02:45:57,360 that's all again if you put your first 3385 02:46:01,790 --> 02:45:59,430 last name in it just displayed that 3386 02:46:03,801 --> 02:46:01,800 won't give you that out there that had 3387 02:46:05,870 --> 02:46:03,811 websites displaying my username for my 3388 02:46:10,551 --> 02:46:05,880 computer which was not my first and last 3389 02:46:12,650 --> 02:46:10,561 name back friends I was like dang Ryan 3390 02:46:14,301 --> 02:46:12,660 right right but I seen the name and 3391 02:46:16,160 --> 02:46:14,311 didn't knew that name anywhere else I do 3392 02:46:18,530 --> 02:46:16,170 the name is only in one place the last 3393 02:46:20,770 --> 02:46:18,540 time I instantly figured out oh this is 3394 02:46:23,600 --> 02:46:20,780 reading through profile on the computer 3395 02:46:26,240 --> 02:46:23,610 interesting you know and then it 3396 02:46:27,320 --> 02:46:26,250 probably could have been a virus to shut 3397 02:46:28,940 --> 02:46:27,330 your computer down because back then 3398 02:46:30,740 --> 02:46:28,950 they were very malicious and 3399 02:46:32,770 --> 02:46:30,750 had some that would literally kill a 3400 02:46:35,421 --> 02:46:32,780 CMOS on a computer with no issue 3401 02:46:37,430 --> 02:46:35,431 completely clear out your bias and wipe 3402 02:46:41,120 --> 02:46:37,440 the chip before it was like nobody ever 3403 02:46:43,460 --> 02:46:41,130 wrote me English it whatsoever yeah yeah 3404 02:46:45,410 --> 02:46:43,470 remember those rumors going around and 3405 02:46:47,841 --> 02:46:45,420 you know that's how McAfee made all of 3406 02:46:51,261 --> 02:46:47,851 his money right just just the thought 3407 02:46:52,671 --> 02:46:51,271 the threat of it but it really it really 3408 02:46:58,490 --> 02:46:52,681 freaked me out 3409 02:47:01,310 --> 02:46:58,500 it scared me to the point of I don't 3410 02:47:04,011 --> 02:47:01,320 want to say the website but it has to do 3411 02:47:06,740 --> 02:47:04,021 with you know new world order kind of 3412 02:47:12,680 --> 02:47:06,750 ish idea I'm not gonna get I'm not going 3413 02:47:17,421 --> 02:47:12,690 to go there but I I felt like I was in a 3414 02:47:19,720 --> 02:47:17,431 zone where I shouldn't be going there 3415 02:47:22,280 --> 02:47:19,730 and then that happened so you know what 3416 02:47:24,950 --> 02:47:22,290 background yeah with the way everything 3417 02:47:26,900 --> 02:47:24,960 with the way all websites look back then 3418 02:47:28,250 --> 02:47:26,910 it's very easy to be misled and think 3419 02:47:30,140 --> 02:47:28,260 you're going places you shouldn't be 3420 02:47:31,850 --> 02:47:30,150 when in reality just some Joe Schmoe 3421 02:47:34,100 --> 02:47:31,860 from San Francisco put it up on a server 3422 02:47:35,841 --> 02:47:34,110 well you know you only have to have some 3423 02:47:38,421 --> 02:47:35,851 fun back then that was part of the fun 3424 02:47:41,690 --> 02:47:38,431 of those days it was part of the fun I 3425 02:47:44,091 --> 02:47:41,700 mean you know you go and you you put 3426 02:47:45,830 --> 02:47:44,101 your hand on a hot burner on the stove 3427 02:47:53,120 --> 02:47:45,840 and you don't think it's hot and you 3428 02:47:55,400 --> 02:47:53,130 burn your hand right on the line what's 3429 02:47:56,900 --> 02:47:55,410 that I'm here I'm here in the show 3430 02:47:59,360 --> 02:47:56,910 feedback on the line on about a 3431 02:48:02,000 --> 02:47:59,370 one-minute deal I oh that's somebody 3432 02:48:03,320 --> 02:48:02,010 that's on hold that's probably tell you 3433 02:48:04,580 --> 02:48:03,330 exactly what it is there's somebody 3434 02:48:08,900 --> 02:48:04,590 that's got the radio up in the 3435 02:48:12,620 --> 02:48:08,910 background oh yeah yeah so I've got 3436 02:48:15,110 --> 02:48:12,630 calls stacked up and so the next call 3437 02:48:19,631 --> 02:48:15,120 that I'm bringing in is next to you so 3438 02:48:23,210 --> 02:48:19,641 you're listening to that caller right so 3439 02:48:24,950 --> 02:48:23,220 I'll bring it in I'll bring Kyle I'll 3440 02:48:30,171 --> 02:48:24,960 bring him in right now turn me down in 3441 02:48:33,500 --> 02:48:30,181 the background can you hear me hello see 3442 02:48:37,070 --> 02:48:33,510 this is him oh now he's turned me down 3443 02:48:42,340 --> 02:48:37,080 in the background and then himself 3444 02:48:49,639 --> 02:48:42,350 yeah Oh see there it is here 3445 02:48:53,240 --> 02:48:49,649 yeah see that's what what's really funny 3446 02:48:55,760 --> 02:48:53,250 to the audience that's what Kyle was 3447 02:48:59,240 --> 02:48:55,770 hearing in his headphone mix in the 3448 02:49:01,040 --> 02:48:59,250 background and I hate that when I hear 3449 02:49:02,389 --> 02:49:01,050 it as soon as I bring in a caller and I 3450 02:49:04,730 --> 02:49:02,399 hear myself in the background I just 3451 02:49:08,690 --> 02:49:04,740 want to hang up I don't want to have to 3452 02:49:13,070 --> 02:49:08,700 say to remote I can't stand it I can't 3453 02:49:15,500 --> 02:49:13,080 and it's just just please turn me down 3454 02:49:18,889 --> 02:49:15,510 and be ready to go it's really bad radio 3455 02:49:20,389 --> 02:49:18,899 for everybody to hear me say that over 3456 02:49:21,830 --> 02:49:20,399 and over again then you got a pause and 3457 02:49:22,639 --> 02:49:21,840 somebody goes okay hold on I'll be right 3458 02:49:27,080 --> 02:49:22,649 back 3459 02:49:30,019 --> 02:49:27,090 did it I don't want to hold on I'll just 3460 02:49:31,790 --> 02:49:30,029 hang up so there you go Kyle thank you 3461 02:49:34,790 --> 02:49:31,800 for the phone call and you bring up a 3462 02:49:39,800 --> 02:49:34,800 great point you know especially back 3463 02:49:41,660 --> 02:49:39,810 then I'd learned behind us and I never 3464 02:49:45,559 --> 02:49:41,670 forgot it man I never forgot it 3465 02:49:48,200 --> 02:49:45,569 I just don't do it unboxing now is just 3466 02:49:53,030 --> 02:49:48,210 as important as the blockchain will be 3467 02:49:55,250 --> 02:49:53,040 you think so oh yeah well the blocks I'm 3468 02:49:57,530 --> 02:49:55,260 not just the social networks not just 3469 02:50:00,469 --> 02:49:57,540 all of us not just the idea of the 3470 02:50:03,200 --> 02:50:00,479 voting booth I'm hearing about it now 3471 02:50:06,769 --> 02:50:03,210 with everything everything from 3472 02:50:08,900 --> 02:50:06,779 databases to just for simple things of 3473 02:50:11,120 --> 02:50:08,910 you know the random sex numbers that 3474 02:50:12,740 --> 02:50:11,130 most big databases will do right I'd be 3475 02:50:14,690 --> 02:50:12,750 either the end of the day or every three 3476 02:50:16,790 --> 02:50:14,700 or four hours or whatever they do to 3477 02:50:18,230 --> 02:50:16,800 keep their cycles correct with all their 3478 02:50:19,309 --> 02:50:18,240 data correct on them so when people do a 3479 02:50:20,960 --> 02:50:19,319 search they get the right information 3480 02:50:23,120 --> 02:50:20,970 right people have talked about putting 3481 02:50:24,740 --> 02:50:23,130 that in a blockchain now right because 3482 02:50:28,540 --> 02:50:24,750 it actually can save it can actually 3483 02:50:31,880 --> 02:50:28,550 parse and save space and it's it's so 3484 02:50:35,059 --> 02:50:31,890 when you look at when people hear about 3485 02:50:39,019 --> 02:50:35,069 the blockchain all they have read about 3486 02:50:41,840 --> 02:50:39,029 is Bitcoin right and that's that's the 3487 02:50:46,070 --> 02:50:41,850 immediate and and I understand that I do 3488 02:50:47,870 --> 02:50:46,080 I totally get that but the the idea of 3489 02:50:49,950 --> 02:50:47,880 the blockchain which is ingenious 3490 02:50:53,250 --> 02:50:49,960 and you take that 3491 02:50:56,730 --> 02:50:53,260 that the engine of the blockchain you 3492 02:50:59,969 --> 02:50:56,740 can take that and apply it to so many 3493 02:51:01,770 --> 02:50:59,979 different things and and that's one part 3494 02:51:08,310 --> 02:51:01,780 of it that you're talking about there 3495 02:51:10,500 --> 02:51:08,320 another another registered artwork right 3496 02:51:12,830 --> 02:51:10,510 now you know and you stop and you think 3497 02:51:15,810 --> 02:51:12,840 about this there's so much you know fake 3498 02:51:16,920 --> 02:51:15,820 artwork a paintings fine art that is out 3499 02:51:20,310 --> 02:51:16,930 there how do you know if you're buying 3500 02:51:23,310 --> 02:51:20,320 the real thing but chances are today 3501 02:51:27,140 --> 02:51:23,320 there was a there was a I just read this 3502 02:51:31,610 --> 02:51:27,150 story there was a gallery in Holland 3503 02:51:34,050 --> 02:51:31,620 eighty percent of the artwork was fake 3504 02:51:37,500 --> 02:51:34,060 how does that happen 3505 02:51:38,219 --> 02:51:37,510 right well anybody can get duped today 3506 02:51:41,760 --> 02:51:38,229 right 3507 02:51:44,190 --> 02:51:41,770 these curators at these museums they can 3508 02:51:45,960 --> 02:51:44,200 get duped how do you know if you're 3509 02:51:49,440 --> 02:51:45,970 gonna go and buy a piece of artwork that 3510 02:51:52,140 --> 02:51:49,450 it's the real thing well one of the ways 3511 02:51:54,840 --> 02:51:52,150 to protect that would be the blockchain 3512 02:51:59,070 --> 02:51:54,850 and the artwork is registered there 3513 02:52:01,380 --> 02:51:59,080 where it can't be altered right and then 3514 02:52:03,810 --> 02:52:01,390 is that just another has nothing to do 3515 02:52:07,860 --> 02:52:03,820 with Bitcoin or cryptocurrency but it 3516 02:52:09,990 --> 02:52:07,870 has everything to do with creatively 3517 02:52:13,590 --> 02:52:10,000 applying the blockchain to something 3518 02:52:16,200 --> 02:52:13,600 else and it could be anything and and I 3519 02:52:19,800 --> 02:52:16,210 think that just what you just said word 3520 02:52:23,910 --> 02:52:19,810 for word it's the future you know and it 3521 02:52:26,190 --> 02:52:23,920 took it took another creative mind to 3522 02:52:29,190 --> 02:52:26,200 think outside of the box and come up 3523 02:52:32,130 --> 02:52:29,200 with something for an effective use as a 3524 02:52:34,320 --> 02:52:32,140 tool for the internet because the 3525 02:52:39,360 --> 02:52:34,330 Internet is here and it is everywhere 3526 02:52:42,540 --> 02:52:39,370 and it's a it's about it he throws I 3527 02:52:45,690 --> 02:52:42,550 think about a blockchain that is a that 3528 02:52:47,100 --> 02:52:45,700 is the parse for a search engine that is 3529 02:52:48,990 --> 02:52:47,110 run by quantum computing you know 3530 02:52:50,940 --> 02:52:49,000 quantum computing works right mm-hmm 3531 02:52:53,640 --> 02:52:50,950 I do instead of sending one instruction 3532 02:52:58,230 --> 02:52:53,650 out sandstoe knock on a bunch of a very 3533 02:53:00,060 --> 02:52:58,240 very broad analogy instead of sending a 3534 02:53:02,310 --> 02:53:00,070 mailman out to go post on every single 3535 02:53:03,420 --> 02:53:02,320 door and knock on every single door to 3536 02:53:07,229 --> 02:53:03,430 make sure you get in the post 3537 02:53:09,689 --> 02:53:07,239 the right place instead it sums ml man 3538 02:53:12,000 --> 02:53:09,699 out for every single door and make sure 3539 02:53:13,860 --> 02:53:12,010 the right now this the right was that's 3540 02:53:16,380 --> 02:53:13,870 essentially what a search is almost like 3541 02:53:17,969 --> 02:53:16,390 on a quantum computing now think about 3542 02:53:19,590 --> 02:53:17,979 that midst of the blockchain and how it 3543 02:53:22,500 --> 02:53:19,600 is the blockchain that fades every chain 3544 02:53:24,630 --> 02:53:22,510 every block on the chain right Ronnie 3545 02:53:26,400 --> 02:53:24,640 could essentially take a search that is 3546 02:53:29,240 --> 02:53:26,410 already ridiculously fast now I'm making 3547 02:53:34,590 --> 02:53:29,250 it faster right right right right 3548 02:53:37,679 --> 02:53:34,600 run a simple website like you know wolf 3549 02:53:40,290 --> 02:53:37,689 or an alpha or people or whatever search 3550 02:53:41,400 --> 02:53:40,300 for Tara or theory or whatever you want 3551 02:53:42,929 --> 02:53:41,410 to search in whatever you want to do it 3552 02:53:44,400 --> 02:53:42,939 with if those were being run by quantum 3553 02:53:46,229 --> 02:53:44,410 computers you would get those kinds of 3554 02:53:48,030 --> 02:53:46,239 results if everybody was using block 3555 02:53:51,120 --> 02:53:48,040 chains on their websites for updating 3556 02:53:53,729 --> 02:53:51,130 the package do you know here's a trivia 3557 02:53:56,760 --> 02:53:53,739 question and don't google it when you 3558 02:54:05,400 --> 02:53:56,770 google a search word or term do you know 3559 02:54:10,019 --> 02:54:05,410 how many servers are used know for your 3560 02:54:21,410 --> 02:54:10,029 single search you want to search the 3561 02:54:26,219 --> 02:54:21,420 word your hockey puck how many okay but 3562 02:54:38,250 --> 02:54:26,229 your query your your query how many 3563 02:54:40,920 --> 02:54:38,260 servers are used for your search okay 3564 02:54:47,870 --> 02:54:40,930 whether you're thinking correctly the 3565 02:54:50,429 --> 02:54:47,880 answer is 1000 1000 servers per query 3566 02:54:52,110 --> 02:54:50,439 the question the bigger question about 3567 02:54:54,389 --> 02:54:52,120 how there is how is the information is 3568 02:54:55,679 --> 02:54:54,399 scheria in between you between you and 3569 02:54:57,210 --> 02:54:55,689 the server that you are actually 3570 02:54:58,710 --> 02:54:57,220 communicating with and there's every 3571 02:55:02,250 --> 02:54:58,720 single one in between the epoch 3572 02:55:04,200 --> 02:55:02,260 factoring on the scale well your data 3573 02:55:06,510 --> 02:55:04,210 doesn't just go between you point a and 3574 02:55:09,179 --> 02:55:06,520 point B you know really goes from point 3575 02:55:11,040 --> 02:55:09,189 A to point eight point one eight point 3576 02:55:13,349 --> 02:55:11,050 two eight point three so on so forth 3577 02:55:14,880 --> 02:55:13,359 down a million scale right in some cases 3578 02:55:16,930 --> 02:55:14,890 if you're sending information across the 3579 02:55:20,170 --> 02:55:16,940 world but alone large amounts of it 3580 02:55:21,881 --> 02:55:20,180 yep where'd that server move from one 3581 02:55:24,100 --> 02:55:21,891 data set to another day he returned it 3582 02:55:34,750 --> 02:55:24,110 from one server to another server mid 3583 02:55:38,700 --> 02:55:34,760 transmission Cisco Systems man Cisco 3584 02:55:41,500 --> 02:55:38,710 Systems and it's it's an unbelievable 3585 02:55:45,070 --> 02:55:41,510 study once you go and start to look at 3586 02:55:49,060 --> 02:55:45,080 how packet switching actually works how 3587 02:55:51,100 --> 02:55:49,070 switchers actually works and and how 3588 02:55:53,620 --> 02:55:51,110 things are routed on the internet and 3589 02:55:57,460 --> 02:55:53,630 you know with this audio signal that 3590 02:56:00,490 --> 02:55:57,470 we're listening to now or a stream or a 3591 02:56:02,680 --> 02:56:00,500 phone call or anything that has 3592 02:56:04,890 --> 02:56:02,690 continuous well it's not continuous it's 3593 02:56:07,890 --> 02:56:04,900 it's broken up in thousands of packets 3594 02:56:11,770 --> 02:56:07,900 routed all over the place and then 3595 02:56:15,190 --> 02:56:11,780 strung back together on your computer at 3596 02:56:18,490 --> 02:56:15,200 the receiving end it's it's a it's a 3597 02:56:21,820 --> 02:56:18,500 fascinating phenomenal thing to go and 3598 02:56:23,950 --> 02:56:21,830 study and there you know thank you so 3599 02:56:25,900 --> 02:56:23,960 much Kyle yes 3600 02:56:28,720 --> 02:56:25,910 you know I'd out more as long we keep 3601 02:56:31,390 --> 02:56:28,730 going forward you know broken Moore's 3602 02:56:33,970 --> 02:56:31,400 Law yeah Oh Moore's law has been 3603 02:56:38,290 --> 02:56:33,980 trampled in the ground and I don't know 3604 02:56:41,560 --> 02:56:38,300 I don't I mean if we continue if we 3605 02:56:43,990 --> 02:56:41,570 continue I don't know I don't know where 3606 02:56:45,761 --> 02:56:44,000 it's possibly going to end if quantum 3607 02:56:50,740 --> 02:56:45,771 computing is the only answer for that 3608 02:56:53,710 --> 02:56:50,750 I'm not so sure but how much smaller can 3609 02:56:55,810 --> 02:56:53,720 we really get yeah you know and your 3610 02:56:57,551 --> 02:56:55,820 question is how long will it take for us 3611 02:56:58,780 --> 02:56:57,561 to get quantum computing to a point 3612 02:57:00,640 --> 02:56:58,790 where it can run at standard room 3613 02:57:02,140 --> 02:57:00,650 temperatures and then the question asked 3614 02:57:04,960 --> 02:57:02,150 when the question really begins to 3615 02:57:07,060 --> 02:57:04,970 unfold itself again yeah yeah I mean if 3616 02:57:09,610 --> 02:57:07,070 we if we're M&L it's basically a holding 3617 02:57:12,610 --> 02:57:09,620 pattern oh man well if we actually have 3618 02:57:14,950 --> 02:57:12,620 a quantum laptop and I'm around to see 3619 02:57:17,890 --> 02:57:14,960 that that's gonna be it's gonna be an 3620 02:57:20,890 --> 02:57:17,900 amazing day but it comes down to a night 3621 02:57:23,950 --> 02:57:20,900 I've got to I've got to run credits and 3622 02:57:25,660 --> 02:57:23,960 get out of here Kyle but the thing is 3623 02:57:29,381 --> 02:57:25,670 you know we still have to make the 3624 02:57:29,940 --> 02:57:29,391 circuits Goldwire and so forth you still 3625 02:57:32,600 --> 02:57:29,950 have to can 3626 02:57:36,421 --> 02:57:32,610 - these chips they're getting so small 3627 02:57:40,381 --> 02:57:36,431 how do you continue to run the circuits 3628 02:57:41,011 --> 02:57:40,391 to them that's the interesting part one 3629 02:57:42,540 --> 02:57:41,021 of the big ones 3630 02:57:44,790 --> 02:57:42,550 don't throw your own computers out 3631 02:57:47,640 --> 02:57:44,800 recycle them because we pull those parts 3632 02:57:51,750 --> 02:57:47,650 apart and read the inside thank you so 3633 02:57:52,560 --> 02:57:51,760 much Kyle please say baby well bye have 3634 02:57:55,500 --> 02:57:52,570 a great night 3635 02:57:59,100 --> 02:57:55,510 what a great last phone call that was 3636 02:58:00,810 --> 02:57:59,110 and that's the thing with Moore's law 3637 02:58:03,000 --> 02:58:00,820 you know you continue to get smaller and 3638 02:58:07,350 --> 02:58:03,010 faster double-double faster half 3639 02:58:11,360 --> 02:58:07,360 double-double how small can you really 3640 02:58:13,770 --> 02:58:11,370 get I mean seriously you know that's 3641 02:58:16,110 --> 02:58:13,780 some part of it 3642 02:58:19,370 --> 02:58:16,120 I want to thank Nick Redfern great 3643 02:58:22,560 --> 02:58:19,380 conversation the book is the Slender Man 3644 02:58:25,650 --> 02:58:22,570 mysteries go and check it out it's an 3645 02:58:27,020 --> 02:58:25,660 amazing read tomorrow night Riz work is 3646 02:58:31,341 --> 02:58:27,030 here 3647 02:58:33,810 --> 02:58:31,351 the killer AI that's tomorrow night 3648 02:58:35,551 --> 02:58:33,820 betablox executive producers Rita 3649 02:58:37,980 --> 02:58:35,561 Camarillo and shows produced by Hill J 3650 02:58:40,140 --> 02:58:37,990 palm Renee Dennis and Bob announces Oh 3651 02:58:43,890 --> 02:58:40,150 Steve Hart Oh gene Vitolo mark T kovar 3652 02:58:47,190 --> 02:58:43,900 what master is Drew the geek music doug 3653 02:58:50,580 --> 02:58:47,200 aldrich intros space boys space boy 3654 02:58:55,381 --> 02:58:50,590 music.com beta black is produced by 3655 02:58:58,230 --> 02:58:55,391 kjsurya and syndication 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